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[Mike K.]

This is the Liberals instead of registering long guns, taking them away. Next step will be allowing single shot only...

That’s Bill C-21, in a nutshell.

[Ismo07]

That’s Bill C-21, in a nutshell.

 

When I played music loud in the house as a teen, my dad would yell at me to turn it down.  I first turned it up for a bit and then turned it back down to the previous volume.  He felt he got what he wanted, I got what I first intended.  Are the hunters my dad in this scenario?  Will the feds pull back on this initial list to get what they originally wanted?

[Mike K.]

It would be, if your dad had asked you to shut the door.

Then he walked in, smashed your stereo, handed your knock-off Walkman with Walmart batteries to you, and told you that if he ever hears music from your room again, you’ll be living on the streets.

Eventually you two will settle on a radio in your room, AM only.

Is that what you meant?

[Ismo07]

It would be, if your dad had asked you to shut the door.

Then he walked in, smashed your stereo, handed your knock-off Walkman with Walmart batteries to you, and told you that if he ever hears music from your room again, you’ll be living on the streets.

Eventually you two will settle on a radio in your room, AM only.

Is that what you meant?

 

How would the hunters be able to do that to the Feds?  So no.. What I mean is this amendment which hasn't passed might be a little bit of a red herring to get a little more than they thought they could do.

[Mike K.]

I don't think so, I think it was a complete bungling by trying to rush something through that wasn't properly thought out. This is a big embarrassment for the feds, I think.

 

The problem for them, is while they are going all-in on C-21, gun crimes at the hands of criminals, with illegal firearms, are skyrocketing, and even the press is starting to ask why going after law-abiding gun owners is the solution the feds are after, when the real problem is gang violence.

[sebberry]

and even the press is starting to ask why going after law-abiding gun owners is the solution the feds are after, when the real problem is gang violence.

 

Well you know the saying, every illegal gun was once a legal one.

[Ismo07]

I don't think so, I think it was a complete bungling by trying to rush something through that wasn't properly thought out. This is a big embarrassment for the feds, I think.

 

The problem for them, is while they are going all-in on C-21, gun crimes at the hands of criminals, with illegal firearms, are skyrocketing, and even the press is starting to ask why going after law-abiding gun owners is the solution the feds are after, when the real problem is gang violence.

 

Well you will always say the Feds completely bungle.  I'm not sure it's a rush, it looks more like a first run while they try to include everything and it'll get discussed and brought down.  

 

What did Australia do?  Are gun crime sky rocketing?  I guess in the bigger cities.

 

Gun crime in Canada down: StatCan | CTV News

Edited by Ismo07, 13 December 2022 - 03:01 PM.

[spanky123]

Well you know the saying, every illegal gun was once a legal one.

Not really true these days. Most guns the cops pick up from crime scenes are and were illegal. They are smuggled here.

[Spy Black]

Perhaps Bill C-21 should be presented only after fulsome consultation with First Nations and other representative hunting groups and grass roots associations across Canada.

A fulsome response, one that fully addresses those groups needs and concerns would then form the foundation of Bill C-21.

 

The Libs have to walk this debacle way, way back ... or the organized protests across Canada will be substantial, noisy, and lengthy (so I'm told by my right-wing, but life long friends in Northern Alberta).

[Mike K.]

Well you know the saying, every illegal gun was once a legal one.

Important point.

Guns used in criminal activity are overwhelmingly illegally transported into Canada, and sold here for large sums of money.

Canadian gun storage regulations also make it hard to steal legal guns, and then use them even if criminals acquire them. The majority of gun owners will store their firearms with trigger locks, and in a safe. Regulations require at least two locks for storage, one being your door to your home, the other a trigger lock or safe. Most will use the latter two as a matter of principal.

[Mike K.]

Perhaps Bill C-21 should be presented only after fulsome consultation with First Nations and other representative hunting groups and grass roots associations across Canada.
A fulsome response, one that fully addresses those groups needs and concerns would then form the foundation of Bill C-21.

The Libs have to walk this debacle way, way back ... or the organized protests across Canada will be substantial, noisy, and lengthy (so I'm told by my right-wing, but life long friends in Northern Alberta).

It’s government overreach, full on. No debate, last minute infusions of major policy changes, and a targeting of law abiding people while the criminal element sees lower and lower repercussions for serious criminality with firearms.

[Ismo07]

Perhaps Bill C-21 should be presented only after fulsome consultation with First Nations and other representative hunting groups and grass roots associations across Canada.

A fulsome response, one that fully addresses those groups needs and concerns would then form the foundation of Bill C-21.

 

The Libs have to walk this debacle way, way back ... or the organized protests across Canada will be substantial, noisy, and lengthy (so I'm told by my right-wing, but life long friends in Northern Alberta).

 

Fully think that will happen and still think it may have been on purpose.  Let's say we are taking the moon and when we walk it back we will still take more than we would have initially...  Ask for more, get more than we expected and the other side thinks they won a bit.

[JimV]

Fully think that will happen and still think it may have been on purpose.  Let's say we are taking the moon and when we walk it back we will still take more than we would have initially...  Ask for more, get more than we expected and the other side thinks they won a bit.

I think that’s exactly it.  Some of the guns on the list are completely ridiculous, e.g. a single shot .22 rifle.  They’ll pull back a bit on this and claim that they listened to hunters and farmers, while still banning thousands of guns used by sports shooters.  None of it will have the slightest difference on “gun crime” but it wil satisfy the Canadian snowflakes who know nothing about firearms, firearms law and the shooting sports.

[Mike K.]

The feds have walked back their C-21 amendment and have dropped plans that would have effectively made a whole bunch of hunting firearms illegal, while having no impact on safety in urban areas (despite claims this was all about safety).

This is what happens when non-experts become experts to enact new laws and regulations. So much money wasted, so much time wasted, and so much grief and controversy could have been avoided had knowledgeable people on this issue been responsible for enacting firearms legislation or dismissing ideas that made no sense.

On which other matters are non-experts tasked with making expert decisions?

The Liberal government has withdrawn a series of controversial amendments to pending firearms legislation, C-21 — changes that some firearms owners say would have unfairly targeted hunters and farmers.

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Public Safety Minister Marco Mendicino had defended the amendments, saying the government is intent on tamping down on gun violence in Canada.

Critics said a ban on popular hunting rifles would do little to make Canadians safer when many crime guns are handguns illegally smuggled over the U.S. border.

Mendicino was due to speak at an electric vehicle announcement in Toronto but cancelled his appearance just before Noormohamed tabled his motion to dump amendments.

- https://www.cbc.ca/n...ments-1.6735828

[Mike K.]

Interesting data from the RCMP. Look what’s happening in BC, which is seeing licensed gun ownership raise at just over 2.5x the national average.

🔹Legal gun ownership rising in BC faster than in any other province or territory: federal data🔹

Over 340,000 legal gun owners are licensed in British Columbia, according to data compiled by the RCMP. Licensed gun owners have increased by 18.2% over the last five years, through 2022. Female gun owners number nearly 57,000, while male gun owners number 283,589.

By volume of licenses, Ontario leads among the provinces with 633,460 licensed gun owners, while Quebec is the runner-up with 484,687 licensed gun owners. Alberta has 346,851 licensed owners compared to BC’s 340,363.

The growth in gun ownership in Canada was 7.8% over the last five years, meaning BC’s growth of 18.2% was nearly 2.5 times the national average.

Are you surprised by British Columbia’s gun ownership rates? Let us know in the comments below.

[Mike K.]

A surprise to absolutely no one.

As police unions pillory federal gun bans for doing nothing to address skyrocketing gun crime, an Ontario police department revealed this week that virtually all its crime guns are now illegal imports from the United States.

“Approximately 90 per cent of (the) firearms that we seize are directly traced back to the U.S. And I can say in reality the remaining 10 per cent are likely also from the U.S.,” Peel Regional Police Chief Nishan Duraiappah said at a Monday press conference. The 10 per cent referred to guns that have been modified or had their serial numbers removed, making them harder to trace.

Duraiappah was announcing the results of Project Sledgehammer, the breakup of a gun smuggling ring that included the seizure of a shipment of so-called “giggle switches” — black market devices that can turn a regular handgun into an automatic machine pistol.

- https://nationalpost...s-doing-nothing

Trudeau is surrounded by men with guns for protection. But he tells the general population guns are not meant for protection, and if they have guns, they’ll inevitably be used in crime, so the general population must not have guns. Essentially, that’s the talking point.

What does everyone think about the police data above?

[Tony]

July 2019 to July 2024 the population of Canada increased by about 9.8%  Individual provincial population increase were variable.

 

Just leaving out the overall population increase in the various provinces and the country at large in the same time period needs also to be considered before drawing conclusions.

 

BC population up 11.7% in the same time period

Edited by Tony, 01 November 2024 - 08:00 AM.

[Ismo07]

Yeah would like to know more data on this, like what's going on.  Are accidental home shootings going up?  More kids finding guns and shooting their siblings?  Are there more gang shootings?  Hand gun ban might be effective in some more domestic shootings, not much you can do except stop every vehicle coming over the boarder when the US is still gun friendly.

[Mike K.]

And if we clamp down on US arms, they’ll flood in from elsewhere. The US is just easiest right now.

[Ismo07]

And if we clamp down on US arms, they’ll flood in from elsewhere. The US is just easiest right now.

 

So the answer is to just allow everyone to have guns?  I'm not so sure.  The ban might be working in other ways.  I don't think these guns are flooding in because we have a ban.  Like I said if gang shootings are up then it's gangs that need to be focused on.  Is there a gang ban?  (easy with the missing a 'g' joke)