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#23041 Victoria Watcher

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Posted 01 June 2021 - 03:15 PM

Japan has 8 million empty homes.

https://nationalpost...s-little-as-550

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Posted 01 June 2021 - 05:14 PM

Japan has 8 million empty homes.

https://nationalpost...s-little-as-550

We have ghost towns here with empty homes too. No need to go all the way to Japan.

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Posted 04 June 2021 - 12:05 AM

Alto said she suspects a small number of people have sheltered in Beacon Hill Park for decades, but an “unprecedented” level of sheltering has driven the area to a point where recovery is necessary, and the provincial investments in indoor spaces have provided a place for hundreds of people previously unhoused to go.

 

“I see no better time for us to take the opportunity to look at Beacon Hill Park as the gem that it is for everyone for all purposes, and to give it a rest,” she said.

 

Councillors Sarah Potts and Sharmarke Dubow opposed the sheltering ban, while councillors Jeremy Loveday and Ben Isitt recused themselves.

 

The vote will go to a June 17 council meeting to be ratified.

 

Potts said it feels premature to enact a ban, because city parks staff have not yet reported back to council on the damage done to parks and council is expecting a report on complex-care housing.

 

“I just don’t believe that this actually solves anything. What it will do is it will displace challenges, perceived or real, into other parks,” she said.

 

Marko Curuvija, project director for the Existence Project, an organization that uses storytelling to humanize public discourse, said he was surprised and frustrated that councillors decided to move forward with a sheltering ban.

 

Members of the Existence Project have been spending time with people in the park since the beginning of the pandemic, Curuvija said, and have heard there are many reasons why people choose to shelter there. Some feel the housing options offered are unsafe, while others have established communities and relationships in the park.

 

Those who live there say Beacon Hill is the only city park large enough to offer privacy and the space to choose who they live near. It’s also closer to downtown services for people who use drugs, he said.

 

 

 

 

 

https://www.timescol...park-1.24326591


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#23044 JimV

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Posted 04 June 2021 - 07:09 AM

“..give it a rest”, Alto says.  This highlights the underlying absurdity of this motion.  The implication of a two year ban is that afterwards we can start over and wreck it again.


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#23045 Mike K.

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Posted 04 June 2021 - 07:15 AM

Interesting to note that campers were there for decades.

So what changed since 2014?

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Posted 04 June 2021 - 07:40 AM


Alto said she suspects a small number of people have sheltered in Beacon Hill Park for decades, but an “unprecedented” level of sheltering has driven the area to a point where recovery is necessary, and the provincial investments in indoor spaces have provided a place for hundreds of people previously unhoused to go.


“I see no better time for us to take the opportunity to look at Beacon Hill Park as the gem that it is for everyone for all purposes, and to give it a rest,” she said.


Councillors Sarah Potts and Sharmarke Dubow opposed the sheltering ban, while councillors Jeremy Loveday and Ben Isitt recused themselves.


The vote will go to a June 17 council meeting to be ratified.


Potts said it feels premature to enact a ban, because city parks staff have not yet reported back to council on the damage done to parks and council is expecting a report on complex-care housing.


“I just don’t believe that this actually solves anything. What it will do is it will displace challenges, perceived or real, into other parks,” she said.


Marko Curuvija, project director for the Existence Project, an organization that uses storytelling to humanize public discourse, said he was surprised and frustrated that councillors decided to move forward with a sheltering ban.


Members of the Existence Project have been spending time with people in the park since the beginning of the pandemic, Curuvija said, and have heard there are many reasons why people choose to shelter there. Some feel the housing options offered are unsafe, while others have established communities and relationships in the park.


Those who live there say Beacon Hill is the only city park large enough to offer privacy and the space to choose who they live near. It’s also closer to downtown services for people who use drugs, he said.






https://www.timescol...park-1.24326591

So according to TV, the activists, and supported by the TC:
We have to feel bad when people have to sleep in parks AND
We have to feel bad when people can’t sleep in parks.

I wholeheartedly disagree with that poverty entrepreneur, and Potts and Dubow (and Isitt and Loveday as well I’m sure, lucky for them that they didn’t have to take a stance on this one!). In a civilized society, no one should be living in part. A court ruling allowed for it when there is a shortage of shelter space. That ruling did not give anyone the right to prefer to live in a park. We have shelter spaces, there should be no more sleeping in the parks allowed. Period. It’s not a choice.

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Posted 04 June 2021 - 11:09 AM

“It’s also closer to downtown services for people who use drugs, he said.”

In my honest opinion this is the root cause of this whole homeless debate.

This guy is off his rocker.

He is advocating the support of convenience of an industry that has killed people young and old. The drug industry is the root cause of homelessness. It’s the root cause of crime.

Stop giving these assholes credibility.
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#23048 Rob Randall

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Posted 04 June 2021 - 11:45 AM

^But until you solve the underlying problem of why people are compelled to ingest deadly chemicals nothing will change. You could erase all illegal drugs and addicts will just switch to huffing gasoline or what have you. 


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Posted 04 June 2021 - 12:00 PM

^But until you solve the underlying problem of why people are compelled to ingest deadly chemicals nothing will change. You could erase all illegal drugs and addicts will just switch to huffing gasoline or what have you.

Hmmmm....These substances are designed to be addictive. The best way to deal with the issue is to make the drugs unavailable (we know that’s not possible) and stigmatize their use to deter people from taking that first step I down that path, but apparently that’s a big no-no nowadays.
People will always be facing hardships through life, there is absolutely nothing we can do about it. We have to educate people that seeking relief through drugs is a terrible option. IMO. I have seen way too many « good intentions » contribute the most towards exacerbating social issues and I think it’s time we change strategy again.
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#23050 kitty surprise

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Posted 04 June 2021 - 12:04 PM

“It’s also closer to downtown services for people who use drugs, he said.”

In my honest opinion this is the root cause of this whole homeless debate.

This guy is off his rocker.

He is advocating the support of convenience of an industry that has killed people young and old. The drug industry is the root cause of homelessness. It’s the root cause of crime.

Stop giving these assholes credibility.


^^^ This!!

#23051 spanky123

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Posted 04 June 2021 - 12:18 PM

^But until you solve the underlying problem of why people are compelled to ingest deadly chemicals nothing will change. You could erase all illegal drugs and addicts will just switch to huffing gasoline or what have you. 

 

I say this having lost good friends to drugs and not without passion - at some point you have to let people make their own decisions. If they are going to huff gasoline then that is their choice. Lets make sure we have resources to support them if they ever decide to quit but encouraging the behavior hoping for a change isn't helping.


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#23052 rmpeers

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Posted 04 June 2021 - 01:50 PM

“It’s also closer to downtown services for people who use drugs, he said.”

In my honest opinion this is the root cause of this whole homeless debate.

This guy is off his rocker.

He is advocating the support of convenience of an industry that has killed people young and old. The drug industry is the root cause of homelessness. It’s the root cause of crime.

Stop giving these assholes credibility.


Come on, we wouldn't want to make it inconvenient for people to use drugs.

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Posted 04 June 2021 - 06:07 PM

I note that the message from some groups on twitter re the BHP motion seems to be "where will the campers go?" Didn't the province already provide more than enough places to to live?

Are these "advocates" just terrified of the problem getting fixed?
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Posted 04 June 2021 - 07:01 PM

These “advocates” haven’t the faintest idea what they are advocating for.

These hard core miscontents don’t want “housing”. They want the freedom to live as they please...bump whatever will go up their arm...and bang on the drum all day...with somebody else’s money.
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#23055 LJ

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Posted 04 June 2021 - 07:12 PM

If we stop providing all the "services" that drug users need maybe we could encourage them to move elsewhere.

 

If the only service provided is rehab we may make a dent in this problem.


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Posted 05 June 2021 - 09:45 AM

These “advocates” haven’t the faintest idea what they are advocating for.

 

"I am afraid that there is a certain class of problem solvers who don't want the patient to get well, because as long as the disease holds out they have not only an easy means of making a living, but also an easy medium through which to make themselves prominent before the public." — Booker T. Washington


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Posted 05 June 2021 - 11:58 AM

I am also concerned, once BHP is back to normal, what will happen to all the people who spent their time posting scenic photos of the park on social media and telling everyone how safe it was? How will they fill their days?
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#23058 Greg

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Posted 05 June 2021 - 12:20 PM

I am also concerned, once BHP is back to normal, what will happen to all the people who spent their time posting scenic photos of the park on social media and telling everyone how safe it was? How will they fill their days?

 

I'm looking forward to the photo essays of the Rock Bay murals...


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#23059 Sparky

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Posted 06 June 2021 - 05:19 PM

3 Bylaw Officers giving a Hobo the heave ho at Topaz Park today at about 11:30

 

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Posted 06 June 2021 - 07:49 PM

Going around downtown this weekend I noticed hardly any panhandlers, only a few people sitting with their gear on the sidewalk - it was quiet and serene as I’ve seen it in about a decade! Ok, there was a couple screamers too, perhaps mental illness or drugs.. and the occasional drugged out person stumbling around. Do I expect it to last.. no, I guess not. :( Unless all provinces and cities have the same consistency in service we will continue to draw newcomers, not to mention the weather draw factor.
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