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[Jacques Cadé]

I agree, it would be great to see the raw data to know whether it has been interpreted correctly, or not. What I'm having difficulty understanding is why the obsession with proving that it's "outsiders" who are causing all the trouble. What exactly is the solution being suggested, then — a Chinese-style hukou system, with a national ID card and a massive fund to deport everyone found sleeping rough back to their "official" place of residence?

If so, that cuts both ways. The next PiT count should drill deeper, and ask what CRD municipality the respondent lived in before he or she ended up in a shelter or camping in downtown Victoria. If 14.2% came from Langford, then Langford should cough up 14.2% of the cost of the services these folks require.

[Victoria Watcher]

i’m not obsessed with proving who is causing what troubles.

i continue to insist that we have the most generous homeless program in North America and that’s why our numbers grow. while the other side tries to pretend our numbers are not growing.

Edited by Victoria Watcher, 31 July 2020 - 11:31 AM.

[Sparky]

It’s not uncommon for an applicant for rental housing to be asked for his/her previous address and how long they lived there.

Is it politically incorrect to ask that same question of a person with no visible means of support?

[Victoria Watcher]

this new housing complex for 21 people cost about $170,000 per tenant to build out of shipping containers and will cost over $46,000 per tenant per year to operate.

https://www.vicnews....ns-in-victoria/

Edited by Victoria Watcher, 31 July 2020 - 12:20 PM.

[rmpeers]

No need. The 2020 Point-in-Time homeless count has been released. News release: https://www.crd.bc.c...sults-announced

Report: https://www.crd.bc.c...-2020-07-31.pdf

The bit many VVers will be interested in falls on page 19:

So about 180 moved here in the past year. That is a fair number. I like how they give it as a percentage which makes it seem lower.

How many rooms on average in the hotels they have been buying? Like did 1 hotel's worth of people move here in the past year?

Edited by rmpeers, 31 July 2020 - 12:35 PM.

[rmpeers]

Now watch what the MSM prints. The titles will underpin the explanation provided.

Interesting that after six months, this was released on the Friday before one of the busiest long weekends of the year.

So cynical!

[aastra]

 

i’m not obsessed with proving who is causing what troubles.

i continue to insist that we have the most generous homeless program in North America and that’s why our numbers grow. while the other side tries to pretend our numbers are not growing.

 

For sure. Everybody has to come from somewhere. People move around.

 

What's really at issue here is the artificial exacerbation of the situation in Victoria and the political misrepresentation (as if current circumstances were somehow the product of natural local conditions).

 

A significant portion of Victoria's problem isn't actually Victoria's problem. This whole thing has been designed to be an unwinnable battle, ever worsening, in perpetuity.

[Nparker]

...How many rooms on average in the hotels they have been buying? Like did 1 hotel's worth of people move here in the past year?

Paul's = 75 rooms
Comfort Inn = 150 rooms (more or less)

I have no idea how many rooms there are collectively in the various non-purchased motels along the Gorge. 

[rmpeers]

"...with 42% living in the region longer than five years." So doesn't that mean Victoria's homeless population has more than doubled in the past 5 years essentially, with people moving here?

Edited by rmpeers, 31 July 2020 - 12:44 PM.

[rmpeers]

Paul's = 75 rooms
Comfort Inn = 150 rooms (more or less)

I have no idea how many rooms there are collectively in the various non-purchased motels along the Gorge.

Well, we could say enough newcomers in the past year to fill 2.3 Paul's Motor Inns, I guess.

[Victoria Watcher]

"...with 42% living in the region longer than five years." So doesn't that mean Victoria's homeless population has more than doubled in the past 5 years essentially, with people moving here?

YES. The homeless population has more than doubled in 5 years just from in-migration. while the overall population has increased by 10 or 20% or whatever. that’s not healthy.

Edited by Victoria Watcher, 31 July 2020 - 12:55 PM.

[rmpeers]

YES. The homeless population has more than doubled in 5 years just from in-migration. while the overall population has increased by 10 or 20% or whatever. that’s not healthy.

Nah, as long as the city or province keeps buying 5 or 6 more hotels every year, then we'll provide homes for all.

[Nparker]

Even better if all those hotels are in the CoV. We can market ourselves as the "City of Shelters"; perhaps enticing tourists with a sort of Alcatraz-esque theme.

[rmpeers]

Even better if all those hotels are in the CoV. We can market ourselves as the "City of Shelters"; perhaps enticing tourists with a sort of Alcatraz-esque theme.

"Okay kids, now let's head over to Chop Shop Land, where you get to make your own bike from stolen parts! Then we'll hit the Pellet Gun Shooting Gallery and then we get to visit the Rat Petting Zoo..."

[Nparker]

BRING IT ON! 

[Victoria Watcher]

escape from New York or Warriors.

[spanky123]

Perhaps we are overthinking this. The survey states that in March there were 270 people who were "unsheltered".

 

Between March and now we have provided more than 400 motel rooms for the unsheltered and 45 spots at SOFMC.

 

Today there are more than 250 people are living in tents in various parks and at City Hall..

 

The housing we have provided has done little to nothing to alleviate the issue with the unsheltered.

Edited by spanky123, 31 July 2020 - 02:04 PM.

[Nparker]

Are you suggesting the current system to "end" homelessness isn't working?

[GetLisaSomeHelps]

A significant portion of Victoria's problem isn't actually Victoria's problem. 

 

Exactly. Nor is it Toronto, Montreal, Halifax, Regina, Saskatoon, Calgary, or Prince George's problem. This is a national issue & should be handled as such at that level.

[Nparker]

...This is a national issue & should be handled as such at that level.

And if the CoV council wasn't a bunch of enabling, self-righteous, SJWs, perhaps it would be handled at the national level.