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#19081 Victoria Watcher

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Posted 08 August 2020 - 11:41 AM

Here's some context: 80% of a person's health spending in their lifetime occurs in their final 2 years of life.  We spend massively for very little gain.  Yet, here, we could make a massive difference and for those who are enabled to end the dysfunction, we could have massive gains that would accrue over decades.  We need to focus on things that enable self-help (training, job search assistance, financial literacy, housing search assistance) and end enabling of self-destruction.  Basic shelter (large room with cots), with access to hygeine and sanitation is what should be provided to those who are unwilling (but capable) of engaging in activities to better themselves.  The laws and bylaws should apply to everyone.

 

i see no evidence that "more money" leads to lifestyle changes and recovery for addicts. 

 

 

and for the cost of that one hotel in vancouver we could have housed 1000 people in 10 cot facilities spread around the province. 


Edited by Victoria Watcher, 08 August 2020 - 11:43 AM.

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#19082 JimV

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Posted 08 August 2020 - 02:05 PM

2007: Victoria's homeless population estimated at well under 1,000. So we must have solved homelessness because so few arrive here from elsewhere.

 

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I note that the total Victoria count of 743 included 1,064 with self reported mental issues, alcohol or drug addiction.  Presumably some have multiple problems.  In any case, that doesn’t seem to leave much room for the regular folks just down on their luck that the advocates are always assuring us exist.


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#19083 JimV

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Posted 08 August 2020 - 02:17 PM

Basic shelter (large room with cots), with access to hygeine and sanitation is what should be provided to those who are unwilling (but capable) of engaging in activities to better themselves.  The laws and bylaws should apply to everyone.

I’m not sure why we should provide anything (except, perhaps a stern lecture and a bus ticket to somewhere far away) to those who are capable but unwilling.

 

Meanwhile, I was downtown this morning and noticed that the City Hall encampment has spawned a suburb on the traffic island at Pandora and Government.  Two or three tents and the usual trash.  Fits right in with the seagull droppings dripping from the half empty storefronts and sidewalks along Government.



#19084 A Girl is No one

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Posted 08 August 2020 - 02:56 PM

Some tents at Topaz park again for at least a few days. And several on Pandora.
I want my money that was spent buying those hotels back!!!

Where are the grumpy taxpayers on this by the way. I can’t remember ever hearing them talk about this flagrant disregard for tax payer money.

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#19085 Awaiting Juno

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Posted 08 August 2020 - 03:23 PM

I’m not sure why we should provide anything (except, perhaps a stern lecture and a bus ticket to somewhere far away) to those who are capable but unwilling.

 

Meanwhile, I was downtown this morning and noticed that the City Hall encampment has spawned a suburb on the traffic island at Pandora and Government.  Two or three tents and the usual trash.  Fits right in with the seagull droppings dripping from the half empty storefronts and sidewalks along Government.

 

Here's why shelter is the floor: the court case enables one to pitch a tent in a park at night (which is why the bylaw is 7pm to 7am) when there is not shelter available.  The availability of shelter enables the enforcement of the bylaw.  That is why we should provide that bare minimum.


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Posted 08 August 2020 - 03:26 PM

Some tents at Topaz park again for at least a few days. And several on Pandora.
I want my money that was spent buying those hotels back!!!

Where are the grumpy taxpayers on this by the way. I can’t remember ever hearing them talk about this flagrant disregard for tax payer money.

 

The Grumpies have so many targets these days to comment on I am sure that it is hard to choose which one!


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#19087 Victoria Watcher

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Posted Yesterday, 05:16 AM

half the rooms at paul's are empty this article says.

 

https://www.timescol...sing-1.24183374

 

otherwise there is little of value in this article.   nothing in here says were are doing anything right.  we are even paying people $100/week to watch others use drugs.  seems counterproductive.


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#19088 A Girl is No one

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Posted Yesterday, 06:13 AM

Same BS as during tje court house tent city. It’s obvious it was orchestrated by the poverty pimps. They always pick the most likeable people they can find.

My take always:
Paul’s only half full (been noted already but worth repeating)
The best people to talk to were a couple who was already living at the Travelodge until they were evicted BECAUSE BC Housing bought the building. I would venture that that couple’s situation got much worse with the addition of the new neighbours but they have much more money to spend on drugs now. I don’t know if they have to pay the $300 from their IA for their room now but at the very least, they are making an additional $800 per month between the two of them. I wonder how many people are getting the extra $100 per week.
The BBQ for the neighbours is another standard practice. The tent city across the street from the mayors house in Fernwood did it years ago before she moved them out of there. Court house tent city did it too. I’m sure that’s also orchestrated by the pimps. As if all that is needed is a bunch of hot dogs to make the assaults, the robberies, the theft, the intimidation etc go away.
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#19089 Awaiting Juno

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Posted Yesterday, 07:24 AM

Same BS as during tje court house tent city. It’s obvious it was orchestrated by the poverty pimps. They always pick the most likeable people they can find.

My take always:
Paul’s only half full (been noted already but worth repeating)
The best people to talk to were a couple who was already living at the Travelodge until they were evicted BECAUSE BC Housing bought the building. I would venture that that couple’s situation got much worse with the addition of the new neighbours but they have much more money to spend on drugs now. I don’t know if they have to pay the $300 from their IA for their room now but at the very least, they are making an additional $800 per month between the two of them. I wonder how many people are getting the extra $100 per week.
The BBQ for the neighbours is another standard practice. The tent city across the street from the mayors house in Fernwood did it years ago before she moved them out of there. Court house tent city did it too. I’m sure that’s also orchestrated by the pimps. As if all that is needed is a bunch of hot dogs to make the assaults, the robberies, the theft, the intimidation etc go away.

 

People are careful about their social circles for a reason - making friends with the wrong person can open a person up to being a victim of crime or abuse.  Seniors are particularly vulnerable to those kinds of situations.  Just imagine "I met this nice young man who is just really down on his luck - he has nothing, and he really needs a hand up.  I know, my kids don't really need anything, I'll leave my estate to that nice young man - it could really change his life."  Then, the estate and the kids are left with an estate dispute to try to right the fraud and lose a third of their inheritance to legal fees.  People with criminal tendencies and other vulnerable populations - children and seniors - should not mix socially for good reasons.  Why is that such a hard concept?  Do not create situations where abuse or crime is likely to be inflicted on others.  



#19090 Mike K.

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Posted Yesterday, 07:58 AM

And for anyone who thinks Juno is overreacting, proof of seniors being swindled out of their money or encouraged to do something that a younger or more suspicious person wouldn’t is how phone scammers make their money.

We even had a local tech company processing payments for these off-shore organizations, and the Americans allege their ties to that industry went even deeper.

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#19091 A Girl is No one

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Posted Yesterday, 08:07 AM

People are careful about their social circles for a reason - making friends with the wrong person can open a person up to being a victim of crime or abuse. Seniors are particularly vulnerable to those kinds of situations. Just imagine "I met this nice young man who is just really down on his luck - he has nothing, and he really needs a hand up. I know, my kids don't really need anything, I'll leave my estate to that nice young man - it could really change his life." Then, the estate and the kids are left with an estate dispute to try to right the fraud and lose a third of their inheritance to legal fees. People with criminal tendencies and other vulnerable populations - children and seniors - should not mix socially for good reasons. Why is that such a hard concept? Do not create situations where abuse or crime is likely to be inflicted on others.

I had not thought of that but we do know that homeless are often in that situation because ties with their families and friends were broken after theft or abuse of generosity - or both. It seemed most personal stories we heard during the court house tent city days involved some variation of that scenario.

#19092 spanky123

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Posted Yesterday, 10:45 AM

half the rooms at paul's are empty this article says.

 

https://www.timescol...sing-1.24183374

 

otherwise there is little of value in this article.   nothing in here says were are doing anything right.  we are even paying people $100/week to watch others use drugs.  seems counterproductive.

 

Well if the pimps admit to having half the rooms empty it means that it is likely closer to 2/3rds or 3/4s. The other point to consider is that we know some (if not many) of the rooms are being occupied by people who were paying to rent rooms at the Travellodge (and presumably other hotels) that were kicked out when the Province rent/bought them. After the media attention the Province then gave those people free rooms to keep them quiet.

 

I don't blame the TC. On one side they have advertisers telling them they will pull ads if they run negative stories that might discourage people from coming downtown or shopping, and on the other hand they have subscribers who threaten to cancel their subscriptions whenever a story about the homeless is run unless it is sympathetic. 


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Posted Yesterday, 11:22 AM

Ross and Shelby, who did not want their last names published, were renting a monthly room in the Travelodge before it was taken over by the province to house people living in tents at Topaz Park and along Pandora Avenue. They were initially evicted, but after speaking to B.C. Housing, were offered a space in the building. It is managed by the Coalition to End Homelessness and staffed by Island Health medical teams, harm-reduction teams from AVI Community Health Services and peer-support workers from the Umbrella Society, a non-profit agency that provides support for people with addictions.

 

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Since moving into the building, each has received long-overdue medical care from on-site nurses and doctors. Shelby had painful abscesses in her teeth fixed and Ross has been put on anxiety medication and Dilaudid, an opioid prescribed to treat pain.

 

“We’re not doing illegal activities anymore,” said Ross, adding that their reliance on street drugs has dramatically reduced. “We are absolutely becoming people who are trying to make change in this building.”

 

Shelby and Ross have been together three years, and when Shelby, a 45-year-old mother of five, talks about how difficult it was to put up her two youngest children, now six and seven, for adoption, Ross, 38, grabs her hand to offer support.

 

They are part of the building’s peer witness program, a pilot project in which someone who wants to use drugs can call another resident to stay with them to make sure they don’t overdose.

 

The building’s safe consumption site is staffed only from 9 a.m. to 9 p.m., so the peer witness can be a life-saver when people want to use drugs outside those hours.

 

Residents can sign up for two-week stints. The Umbrella Society disperses a stipend of $100 a week.


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#19094 Mike K.

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Posted Yesterday, 11:56 AM

Hold on.

The Coalition to End Homelessness now manages real-estate? This is the first I’ve heard of them acting in this capacity.

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#19095 A Girl is No one

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Posted Yesterday, 04:16 PM

Apparently a group of homeowners around the Strathcona park in Vancouver, the location of the latest tent city, are organizing a tax protest. Sounds like something we should investigate here for all the city core, including businesses.

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Posted Yesterday, 04:21 PM

we can barely organize a petition.

I don’t expect anything more from our beacon hill park neighbours.

and not more than a half dozen businesses will speak up. Out of thousands downtown. They are too scared.

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#19097 spanky123

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Posted Yesterday, 04:26 PM

Hold on.

The Coalition to End Homelessness now manages real-estate? This is the first I’ve heard of them acting in this capacity.

 

Helps them with their homeless 'counts'!



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Posted Yesterday, 04:28 PM

this ndp government is throwing out homeless money left right and centre. not surprising organizations - even those dedicated to eradicating homelessness - want in on the gravy.

#19099 Mike K.

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Posted Yesterday, 06:26 PM

Apparently a group of homeowners around the Strathcona park in Vancouver, the location of the latest tent city, are organizing a tax protest. Sounds like something we should investigate here for all the city core, including businesses.


Yeah! And my high school friend is leading the charge!! I saw her on TV today and couldn’t believe Katie was the community association pres.

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#19100 Belleprincess

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Posted Yesterday, 09:36 PM

Man, reading this forum is incredibly depressing. Don't you guys have anything better to do than to ***** about people who are battling addiction or struggling to survive? Like really, I live closer to Our Place than literally anyone in Victoria (okay, to be fair, my roommate is a couple feet closer) and I'm going about my life just fine. Maybe redirect your focus towards actual solutions (like housing or mental health treatments) rather than complain that the CoV hasn't yet kicked people out of BHP so you can look at flowers and ducks while not having to think about those less fortunate than you.

I read this forum as it is the only resource for up-to-date news on local urban design, architecture, etc. but I'm frankly disgusted at the selfish attitudes expressed by most users here,

I guess its easier to virtue signal and hide your head in the sand isn’t it? I was just like you not long ago. But sadly, I see a city I once loved - turn into a pile of garbage and rather quickly. Hide your head in the sand, you’re allowed to but we are also allowed to discuss our thoughts and feelings openly. If you don’t like it - stick to the things you came here for. It’s pretty simple.

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