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#5601 vortoozo

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Posted 11 August 2021 - 09:11 AM

The United flight to SFO was almost always busy before they changed the schedule so you couldn't go there for meetings and come back same day. The problem was the aircraft size they were using. Also Victoria is a significantly larger market to Saskatoon so we should have more than they did.

 

They were using a 50 seat aircraft, because that's what the market could support. They're not going to pull a 737 off of San Francisco to Vegas to serve Victoria instead.



#5602 Missed Approach

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Posted 11 August 2021 - 11:05 AM

Mike K, it's been awhile since Citified Victoria sat Geoff down for a good interview.

 

I have to say, and I am interested in what other airport have for service, aircraft type and size, their market reach etc.

 

Kelowna goes out of their way to promote their airport to a region slightly larger than the south island and doing VERY well as YYJ slips slowly behind and further back, avg 20,000 less passengers per month. 

 

And Victoria keeps scoring low, almost silent on marketing itself and I think it comes from Geoff's mind set, it will market it's self.

 

I know it's been touched on, and it's a sore spot for him, but he comes back with no effort and no budget is needed. Almost like a Oak Bay was of thinking ;)

 

Alot of US routes also depended on the conference market in Victoria. That is zero right now. Vegas is fun, but has a history of being a slim market. I hope it does well but not holding hope. 

 

The social media for the VAA can be described as drab to be honest. build boards are one way, but the reach and mindset of locals is, all planes go to YVR only........ or a few flights to YYC. 


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#5603 vortoozo

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Posted 11 August 2021 - 12:57 PM

Mike K, it's been awhile since Citified Victoria sat Geoff down for a good interview.

 

I have to say, and I am interested in what other airport have for service, aircraft type and size, their market reach etc.

 

Kelowna goes out of their way to promote their airport to a region slightly larger than the south island and doing VERY well as YYJ slips slowly behind and further back, avg 20,000 less passengers per month. 

 

And Victoria keeps scoring low, almost silent on marketing itself and I think it comes from Geoff's mind set, it will market it's self.

 

I know it's been touched on, and it's a sore spot for him, but he comes back with no effort and no budget is needed. Almost like a Oak Bay was of thinking ;)

 

Alot of US routes also depended on the conference market in Victoria. That is zero right now. Vegas is fun, but has a history of being a slim market. I hope it does well but not holding hope. 

 

The social media for the VAA can be described as drab to be honest. build boards are one way, but the reach and mindset of locals is, all planes go to YVR only........ or a few flights to YYC. 

 

You can't compare YYJ to Kelowna just like that. Kelowna doesn't have a frequent 90 minute ferry that has access to an airport serving hundreds of destinations. 



#5604 Victoria Watcher

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Posted 11 August 2021 - 01:02 PM

You can't compare YYJ to Kelowna just like that. Kelowna doesn't have a frequent 90 minute ferry that has access to an airport serving hundreds of destinations. 

 

the flip side of that is that Kelowna does not have a $150 90-minute deterrent moat around it.  that should work to victoria's advantage.



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Posted 11 August 2021 - 08:56 PM

Family friends, a family of four, have flown to Europe via Vancouver. The husband will return two weeks early, come back to Victoria, then will drive back to Vancouver to pick up his wife and kids and bring them back to Victoria. No thought given at all to YYJ.

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Posted 12 August 2021 - 02:26 PM

You can't compare YYJ to Kelowna just like that. Kelowna doesn't have a frequent 90 minute ferry that has access to an airport serving hundreds of destinations. 

Kelowna also has very good freq flights to YVR and YYC, most do jump on those vs drive. But compare the number of flights per week and per airline to YYZ for example, they out do YYJ hands down. 



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Posted 12 August 2021 - 03:29 PM

Kelowna also has very good freq flights to YVR and YYC, most do jump on those vs drive. But compare the number of flights per week and per airline to YYZ for example, they out do YYJ hands down. 

 

YYJ to YYZ flights this week

AC:11

WS: 3

Swoop: 2

Flair: 0

Total: 16

 

YLW to YLW flights this week:

AC: 10

WS: 4

Swoop: 4

Flair: 0

Total: 18

 

Kelowna has 2 more flights. "Out do hands down" is a bit of hyperbole, don't you think?


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#5608 Mike K.

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Posted 12 August 2021 - 03:37 PM

Granted, we are talking about Kelowna, which has a regional population 40% lower than Greater Vic's and a far lower population within an hour's drive than we do. Kamloops residents are more likely to catch a flight out of their own airport than drive over two hours to Kelowna.

 

We really do hit well, well below our weight.


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#5609 vortoozo

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Posted 12 August 2021 - 03:57 PM

For fun, I repeated the exercise with YVR & YYC.

 

YYJ to YVR flights this week

AC: 42

WS: 14

Swoop: 0

Flair: 0

Pasco: 12

Air North: 3

CMA: 0

Total: 71

 

YLW to YVR flights this week:

AC: 35

WS: 24

Swoop: 0

Flair: 0

Pasco: 0

Air North: 5

CMA: 3

Total: 67

 

YYJ to YYC flights this week

AC: 21

WS: 30

Swoop: 0

Flair: 2

Total: 53

 

YLW to YYC flights this week:

AC: 22

WS: 41

Swoop: 0

Flair: 0

Total: 63

 

We have more flights to Vancouver, Kelowna has more to Calgary. Between the two, Kelowna has 6 more flights a week.



#5610 Mike K.

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Posted 12 August 2021 - 04:07 PM

That's a lot, for a much smaller city, and a smaller catchment area.


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Posted 12 August 2021 - 07:37 PM

Wife prefers Netjet. 



#5612 Missed Approach

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Posted 17 August 2021 - 02:57 PM

Vortoozo, I appreciate the research. For the time period of *this week when you collected the data, was it FIDS or timetable based.

I should have added, I was comparing from the last 2-4 weeks ago where flight freq had differed alot before flights had resumed to more higher weekly freq and some airlines started closer to planed daily service. 

YYJ was very slow out of the gate with recovery. Some RPM numbers have been low and aircraft types have be sub'd in and out on routes into YYJ and YLW. 

 

Monthly stats still show a 20,000 passenger enplane difference between YLW and YYJ

 

YQB, Quebec City is coming up hard on YYJ for 11th place in Canada 

 

As I thought, WJA is cutting their seasonal end dates on their YXE and YWG service to early Sept as their experimental route trials weren't doing well. 

 

Also noticed, YYJ VAA has removed all Charter carriers from their Airline List, and removed many sun destinations from their Non-Stop List too.



#5613 vortoozo

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Posted 17 August 2021 - 03:27 PM

Vortoozo, I appreciate the research. For the time period of *this week when you collected the data, was it FIDS or timetable based.

 

Timetable based.



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Posted 18 August 2021 - 09:19 AM

Delivery Station Confirmed for Victoria International Airport (YYJ) Amazon Announced as New Tenant



For Release August 18, 2021



Victoria Airport Authority (VAA) has confirmed the approval of York Realty’s proposal to build a state of the art, 115,000 sq. ft. delivery station on 7.8 acres of industrial zoned land at the Victoria International Airport (YYJ), and York Realty has announced that Amazon will be the new tenant.



Activity will begin on the site in September to prepare for the start of construction, which is expected to be completed in the fall of 2022. Once built, the new Amazon building will function as a “last-mile” delivery station.



Amazon’s delivery stations power the last mile of its order process and help speed up deliveries for customers. Packages are transported to delivery stations via trailer trucks from Amazon fulfillment and sortation centers. Packages are then sorted, packed and loaded into delivery vehicles and shipped to homes in local communities.



“We are pleased to welcome Amazon to Victoria International Airport and the peninsula,” said Victoria Airport Authority President and CEO, Geoff Dickson. “We would like to thank York Realty and Amazon for the vision they have shown in choosing this location with a goal to meet the growing demands of the region.”



As part of the VAA’s development permit approval process, the project was presented to the Town of Sidney for review and comment in April. Consultation opportunities were also extended to the general public and to the W̱SÁNEĆ Leadership Council. As part of the public engagement process, a project website page and dedicated email address was established, and in June an informational mail out was distributed to all residents of the Galaran Road residential neighbourhood. Concerns raised about the building height and size were responded to by York Realty with design alterations resulting in significant reductions to both the building height and mass.



VAA, York Realty and Amazon are committed to ongoing dialogue with the Town of Sidney, W̱SÁNEĆ Leadership Council and local residents throughout the project and will continue this commitment during buildout of the facility including when the delivery station launches.



“It is our hope that, with Amazon as a sub-tenant, the new delivery station will serve as a significant economic generator for the region,” said Matt Woolsey, President, York Realty. “More importantly, we plan on creating a building that is a first-of-its-kind in Canada, while providing landscaping improvements and amenities for the neighbourhood. Our goal, together with Amazon, is to continue listening to neighbours, the W̱SÁNEĆ Leadership Council and the Town of Sidney as we buildout this project and Amazon begins operations.”



“We are excited to continue our growth in Canada with the addition of the delivery station in Sidney, B.C.,” said Tushar Kumar, Regional Director, Last-mile Logistics Operations for Amazon Canada. “The new delivery station will allow us to provide fast and efficient delivery for customers and provide great job opportunities for the talented local workforce.”



In collaboration with the W̱SÁNEĆ Leadership Council, York Realty will be working with Tseycum First Nation, Tsartlip First Nation, and Tsawout First Nation on incorporating design elements and art installations into the building exterior and landscaping design plans which will reflect the rich culture and heritage of the W̱SÁNEĆ People. “The W̱SÁNEĆ Leadership Council has been in discussions with the VAA and York Realty regarding the delivery station,” said Gord Elliott, Director of Operations at the W̱SÁNEĆ Leadership Council. “We are satisfied with the commitment York Realty and Amazon have made to ensure low environmental impacts, to create a relationship with the Tseycum, Tsartlip and Tsawout First Nations, and to recognize W̱SÁNEĆ lands and culture.”



While seeking feedback on the development, one of the biggest concerns raised was around the ongoing traffic issues in the area. VAA has committed to working with York Realty, the Town of Sidney, the District of North Saanich, and other stakeholders to plan for the design and construction of a roundabout at the intersection of Galaran Road and Beacon Avenue. Additional improvements also being reviewed include modifications to the Highway 17 and Beacon Avenue intersection and potential realignment of Stirling Way.
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Posted 19 August 2021 - 07:46 AM

July marked busiest month at Victoria International Airport since start of COVID-19 pandemic

https://victoria.cit...id-19-pandemic/


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#5616 Missed Approach

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Posted 31 August 2021 - 12:39 PM

Aug 31st, taxiway Echo extension, still not in use, ( open for aircraft use ) and coming up on just a couple months away from 2 yrs from completion. 



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Posted 05 September 2021 - 05:26 AM

Signs calling for a ban on recreational helicopters have popped up all over North Pender Island in response to one resident’s use of a personal helicopter that comes and goes from his property.

Neighbours of the rural residential community near Oak Bluffs say they’re concerned the helicopter is disturbing nesting eagles and other wildlife, poses a safety risk and potential fire hazard, and could affect their property values.

https://www.timescol...ssed-1.24355843

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#5618 todd

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Posted 05 September 2021 - 07:54 PM

Maybe they’re jealous they don’t have a helicopter?
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#5619 Victoria Watcher

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Posted 15 September 2021 - 05:51 PM

The Victoria Flying Club is celebrating 75 years and they want you to join them!

This Saturday, September 18th, everyone is invited to attend the club’s open house where they will be able to meet flight instructors, staff and club members, tour civilian and military aircrafts and more.

Attendees will be able to view a rebuild project of a Beechcraft 95 twin-engine as it is transformed into a modern glass cockpit trainer.

For those interested in flight school, School District 61 will be on-site to offer career guidance. UVic will also be on site with information about their Diploma in Business Administration for Aviation.

https://www.victoria...e-this-weekend/

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Posted 10 October 2021 - 11:01 AM

Interesting read....

 

https://canadianavia...ational-travel/


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