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[Victoria Watcher]

There used to be 3-5 IIRC.

[spanky123]

Most of those flights are AC.

The number to Seattle is disappointing.

If you are going to LV or SF or LA or Phoenix (or anywhere else in the USA) are you really connecting through Vancouver? When Seattle has so many more options?

 

You had three options previously, Calgary, Seattle or Vancouver. Calgary is now out (AC at least), Seattle has one flight a day (at 3:45PM) and Vancouver only has 3 flights (AC) before 3:40PM. 

[Mike K.]

7 daily once upon a time by Alaska at one point, no?

Then Delta added 3x daily, maybe 2x in the off season if I recall. That lead to Alaska cutting back to 5, no?

Now it’s just one flight daily?

[vortoozo]

7 daily once upon a time by Alaska at one point, no?

Then Delta added 3x daily, maybe 2x in the off season if I recall. That lead to Alaska cutting back to 5, no?

Now it’s just one flight daily?

 

That's a function of Alaksa/Horizon retiring their Q400 fleet and not having enough aircraft.

It's no different than Kelowna, only one SEA flight as well.

[vortoozo]

You had three options previously, Calgary, Seattle or Vancouver. Calgary is now out (AC at least), Seattle has one flight a day (at 3:45PM) and Vancouver only has 3 flights (AC) before 3:40PM. 

 

AC operates to YVR every 2-3 hours with one 4 hour gap mid-day. That's reasonable for most connections.

Unlike Horizon, AC is not constrained in terms of aircraft. If there was sufficient demand to profitably operate additional flights, they'd do it. They have all the aircraft and crews available from the YYC Jazz base closure.

 

I'm at the airport right now. It's quiet. In the summer there were 90 minute security lineups at this time. Now, no lineup at all for AC checkin or security. If you look at the summer schedule there are more YYJ-YVR flights, eg 5 flights before 3:40pm.

[Ismo07]

AC operates to YVR every 2-3 hours with one 4 hour gap mid-day. That's reasonable for most connections.

Unlike Horizon, AC is not constrained in terms of aircraft. If there was sufficient demand to profitably operate additional flights, they'd do it. They have all the aircraft and crews available from the YYC Jazz base closure.

 

I'm at the airport right now. It's quiet. In the summer there were 90 minute security lineups at this time. Now, no lineup at all for AC checkin or security. If you look at the summer schedule there are more YYJ-YVR flights, eg 5 flights before 3:40pm.

 

I try to go Harbour Air to Richmond when I can...  Shuttle takes you to YVR

[Missed Approach]

I still don't think Kelowna really does significantly better than Victoria in terms of flights & destinations.

 

Let's look at tomorrow's schedule:

 

Vancouver has 12 flights from YYJ, 15 from Kelowna

Calgary has 4 from YYJ, 5 from Kelowna

Edmonton has 3 from YYJ, 4 from Kelowna

Seattle has 1 each

Toronto has 2 from YYJ, none from Kelowna

Prince George has 1 from YYJ, none from Kelowna

Plus there are two YYJ - Kelowna flights

 

Overall Kelowna has two more flights, but Victoria has two more non-stop destinations. It's pretty much a wash.

 

YLW daily departures do fluctuates a lot day to day, multi flights on different carriers to YYZ, plus they have WJ flights to Phoenix and more Mexico destinations than YYJ

Prince George welcomes Flair Air this week starting once weekly service to Tucson Arizona......     

YLW will come out prob 80,000 to 100,000 more annual passengers

Edited by Missed Approach, 17 January 2023 - 01:12 PM.

[Missed Approach]

Interesting read 

 

https://canadianavia...ervice-changes/

[lanforod]

Prince George to Tucson? What on earth.

[Kilo95]

Prince George to Tucson? What on earth.

 

Believe the City of Tucson gave Flair a bunch of $$$ to start up these routes. They were also planning on flying Lethbridge to Tucson but believe that's been delayed.. seems like Tucson has extra cash to burn as I'd be surprised if these routes were sustainable

[Victoria Watcher]

Believe the City of Tucson gave Flair a bunch of $$$ to start up these routes. They were also planning on flying Lethbridge to Tucson but believe that's been delayed.. seems like Tucson has extra cash to burn as I'd be surprised if these routes were sustainable

 

 

Tucson International Airport is sweetening the pot for airlines in an effort to attract more nonstop flights to the city.

 

The board that runs TIA agreed Tuesday to spend more than $1.6 million over the next few years on incentives to reward airlines that establish new routes to key U.S. cities, or to Mexico or Canada.

 

The program, a first for TIA, follows several years of decline in the number of nonstop routes serving the city. In 2007, for example, the Tucson airport offered 81 flights a day to 24 nonstop destinations. By 2010, that had dropped to 60 flights a day to 15 nonstop locales.

 

 

https://tucson.com/n...04b5a9c0c8.html

Edited by Victoria Watcher, 18 January 2023 - 06:00 AM.

[Mike K.]

So it is possible to attract flights.

[Victoria Watcher]

Porter Airlines is celebrating the launch of new routes with almost unbelievable deals, offering $1 round trips to various Canadian destinations for passengers booking on the routes’ inaugural flights.

https://dailyhive.co...-flights-canada

Edited by Victoria Watcher, 18 January 2023 - 10:11 AM.

[Nparker]

But look out for the charges to carry-on or check baggage!

[Citified.ca]

Victoria International's 2022 passenger count nearly triples 2020's volume, more than doubles 2021's

https://victoria.cit...-doubles-2021s/

[Missed Approach]

Thought Id take a little time to share what YYJ has lost and what to look forward to in 2023 for air carriers and destinations.

 

 

Air Canada, On the latest time table. AC Express to YVR only has 5 daily flights, 1 daily to YYZ on Rouge, discontinued is YYC, 2 times daily, but shows 3 times daily again in Nov but could be an error. YUL returns on Rouge but seasonally again, only 4 days weekly this summer.

In the fall of 2023, service to YVR jumps to 12 departures daily. 

** YLW has kept their AC mainline YUL service year round, something the CEO of YYJ keeps saying there is a market for but never materializes.

 

 

WestJet, has reduced some freq on their main routes, YVR, YYC/YEG & YLW. Discontinued is their YYZ service in 2023.

Only Cancun and PVR on Saturdays only this winter, meanwhile YLW has CUN, PVR and SJD on more than once a week service this winter plus Phoenix AZ once weekly.

 

 

Swoop, discontinued all YEG service in 2023. YYZ is only 3 times a week till March, then 4 times till June, then 6 times in June with July & Aug having daily service. This must be replacing WJ mainline YYZ service.

** Failed to launch from YYJ is promised & announced LAS and PVR service but removed from their system.

 

 

Flair, YYC in Jan, 2 times weekly, in Feb, 3 times weekly. In Mar, up to 4 times weekly till June where a mix of 6 times weekly to daily service in the summer months. YOW is only once weekly, from June till Oct. 

YEG is twice weekly in Jan, then 3 times weekly in Feb & Mar, April 5 times weekly, from June till Oct, daily.

YYZ service starts in March with twice weekly till July, then 3 times in Aug till Sept, when it goes back to twice weekly.

Discontinued is their YLW service.

 

 

Lynx  Only serving YYC, once weekly, from Jan till March, then 3 times weekly till then end of Aug, then nothing showing from Sept on wards in 2023. 

 

 

Alaska Airlines Their one and only daily flight till mid June changes, when twice daily service starts till first week of Sept. Yes, Twice Daily service.

 

 

Pacific Coastal only adds a couple flights in the spring and summer, time table shows YXS ( Prince George ) goes to daily flight from 6 times weekly. YLW adds daily service and one more YVR flight daily. 

 

 

Air North is stepping up and adding more flights per week thru the spring and summer, many non-stop from YXY ( Whitehorse ), with one-stop back north via YVR. It's a varied mix of 3 times, to 4 weekly.  

 

If you are interested in more airline / air routes news, www.areoroutes.com is a good site for international and local carriers.

Edited by Missed Approach, 18 January 2023 - 04:38 PM.

[Mike K.]

Fantastic recap, Missed. Thank you.

[Nparker]

Sad. From a once thriving second tier international airport, to a barely adequate regional facility.

[Missed Approach]

Sad. From a once thriving second tier international airport, to a barely adequate regional facility.o YYj

 

Forgot to add, no Air Transat or SunWing this seasonal and word from a source is not returning in 23/24 season.

 

Also discontinued was a non stop, over night cargo flight operated by Sky Link. I'm very interested in seeing what will come of Purolator's old convair turbo prop aircraft as they age into their 65+ year of servicing cargo across BC.

Edited by Missed Approach, 18 January 2023 - 05:12 PM.

[Mike K.]

Yeah, it’s not good. Flights out of SEA are now out of the question unless your flight departs after 5PM. And hopefully not later into the evening or you’re wasting half a day sitting around.