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[Downtown Victoria] Crystal Garden Block announcement
#61
Posted 22 May 2008 - 10:16 PM
#62
Posted 22 May 2008 - 10:29 PM
#63
Posted 25 May 2008 - 07:16 AM
Does anyone know what other lots the city could use for a gallery and museum? I know as I walk around downtown I see many surface parking lots and gaping holes in the ground that could surely be better used.
#64
Posted 25 May 2008 - 10:05 AM
#65
Posted 28 May 2008 - 12:28 AM
Every single other person involved in this process has been in favour of leaving the lawn bowling green as is, and coming up with a plan the community agrees with.
Full disclosure: I, as well as several members of VV have joined the lawn bowling club as members in support of it.
#66
Posted 28 May 2008 - 10:48 AM
I don't understand why the city thinks this block would be a good spot for an attraction aimed at children. The Crystal Garden was a very good attraction and quite unique, and people weren't exactly beating down the door to get their kids into it.
The corner lot would be a good spot for a daring piece of architecture in which to house the Art Gallery, in my opinion. And it could be argued that the little park between the bowling green and the church has been more trouble than it's worth, so I'm open to redeveloping it as well.
But I see no good reason to be hasty with the bowling green site. Maybe I'm just pissed at the city. It bugs the heck out of me that they drag their feet for generations when it comes to redeveloping critical eyesore properties, but they just can't seem to wait to eject something unique like this bowling green.
Does anyone know what other lots the city could use for a gallery and museum? I know as I walk around downtown I see many surface parking lots and gaping holes in the ground that could surely be better used.
Does anybody have a calculator handy? We can figure out how many other sites there are.
#67
Posted 28 May 2008 - 11:23 AM
Anyone planning an activity for kids desires free parking with walkways that can accommodate strollers. Ideally, the location should offer nearby secondary activities like movie theaters, playgrounds, and a food court with an economical variety of healthy snacks and meals.
The last thing a caretaker wants is to fight downtown rush-hour traffic, music festivals, Soldier Field events and McCormick Place crowds flooding the Grant park area.
-City of Victoria website, 2009
#68
Posted 31 May 2008 - 09:42 AM
#69
Posted 31 May 2008 - 01:50 PM
The Chicago case is very contentious because it's going to eat up a section of Grant Park, which, like Beacon Hill Park, has all sorts of covenants placed on it, and it's supposed to be for public use in perpetuity. I think the author is deliberately highlighting those suburban aspects of free parking, amusement, and what sound like food courts, precisely because he's against the notion of a children's museum eating up part of Grant Park, especially if it's basically a corporate playland. His closing paragraph says as much:
These so-called "children's museums" do not have permanent art collections or a curatorial focus of historical relevance. Instead they are filled with toys, games and blatant corporate propaganda like miniature shopping carts so kids can pretend to buy look-a-like products found in real stores (sponsors). Occasionally there are temporary traveling exhibits analogous to the more reputable science museums. However, these children's museums are usually trumped up play places with little to offer in terms of educational value.
Therefore, since the primary value of the Chicago Children's Museum is amusement for toddlers, it does not belong in a public park (unless the admission is free like a playground). The appropriate location is a shopping mall or keeping it on Navy Pier.
As for us: Free parking in downtown Victoria for cultural facilities, whether art galleries or kids' museums? I don't think so. Maybe you could get some sort of discount if you buy an entry ticket to the venue. But free? Nuh-uh. With the Spaghetti Factory still on the corner, I think that fills the kids' food demand nicely. Maybe allow more food carts/ street vendors: that would be cool. A theatre? Go to the RBCM's OmniMax or whatever it's called.
By the way, Victoria has (or at least did, a few years ago) a lively community of story tellers. Some of those folks would be a natural fit for activities within a children's museum.
#70
Posted 31 May 2008 - 04:44 PM
It's still a pretty active community. I'd recommend to anyone who has an opportunity to sit in on a story telling to take it.By the way, Victoria has (or at least did, a few years ago) a lively community of story tellers. Some of those folks would be a natural fit for activities within a children's museum.
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#71
Posted 31 May 2008 - 09:26 PM
#72
Posted 31 May 2008 - 09:36 PM
-City of Victoria website, 2009
#73
Posted 07 June 2008 - 02:39 AM
Count me in as a critic/opponent of the plan to get rid of the bowling green. My two cents:
I don't understand why the city thinks this block would be a good spot for an attraction aimed at children. The Crystal Garden was a very good attraction and quite unique, and people weren't exactly beating down the door to get their kids into it.
The corner lot would be a good spot for a daring piece of architecture in which to house the Art Gallery, in my opinion. And it could be argued that the little park between the bowling green and the church has been more trouble than it's worth, so I'm open to redeveloping it as well.
But I see no good reason to be hasty with the bowling green site. Maybe I'm just pissed at the city. It bugs the heck out of me that they drag their feet for generations when it comes to redeveloping critical eyesore properties, but they just can't seem to wait to eject something unique like this bowling green.
Does anybody have a calculator handy? We can figure out how many other sites there are.
I feel the same way, and so do many others. It just seems wrong. Especially the way the city pulled the lease out from under the lawn bowling club.
I still ache over losing Crystal Gardens. Many children spent time there. Mine still can't understand why it was taken away.
#74
Posted 11 June 2008 - 09:03 AM
If you care to show support for the lawn bowling club and Cridge park, we encourage you to join us at 7:15p.m. in front of city hall on June 26th, and we will all go in together. If you can find some, please wear all white clothing to show your solidarity. There is also a facebook group "Save the CP Lawn Bowling Green"[1], please invite anyone you can. This is our chance to show community support, and that we want to move forward as a community, not with conflicts of interest and hidden agendas.
If there is no community support, it will be replaced with buildings and gone forever as planned.
Thanks!
[1] http://www.facebook....eid=16160268217
#75
Posted 11 June 2008 - 09:11 AM
To be clear, the city has not "pulled the lease out" from the lawn bowling club. The potential issue is they may choose not to renew the lease. June 26th the club will be presenting its proposal to city council, that it has worked on with the community over for the past 6 months.
If you care to show support for the lawn bowling club and Cridge park, we encourage you to join us at 7:15p.m. in front of city hall on June 26th, and we will all go in together. If you can find some, please wear all white clothing to show your solidarity. There is also a facebook group "Save the CP Lawn Bowling Green"[1], please invite anyone you can. This is our chance to show community support, and that we want to move forward as a community, not with conflicts of interest and hidden agendas.
If there is no community support, it will be replaced with buildings and gone forever as planned.
Thanks!
[1] http://www.facebook....eid=16160268217
Thank you so much!
I will try and get as many down there as possible!
#76
Posted 11 June 2008 - 09:45 AM
If you care to show support for the lawn bowling club and Cridge park, we encourage you to join us at 7:15p.m. in front of city hall on June 26th...
Do we have to support both of these sites or support neither of them? While I would love to see the lawn bowling green preserved, Cridge Park is a seldom-used piece of poorly maintained "greenish" space. I have never seen it utilized by more than the occasional drunk or junkie "sleeping one off". It's proximity to the larger park space at St. Ann's pretty much renders it redundant at best and a liability at worst. I see no great loss to the city if this "park" is developed, especially if its development means saving the bowling green.
#77
Posted 11 June 2008 - 10:11 AM
Focus the energy on the bowling green and drop the waste of space next door.
#78
Posted 11 June 2008 - 11:13 AM
#79
Posted 11 June 2008 - 11:24 AM
#80
Posted 11 June 2008 - 11:45 AM
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