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[Mike K.]

A Michael Moore-produced documentary, Planet of the Humans, exposes the green energy industry’s tax dollar siphoning ways. Of course in classic Moore style, he can’t help but infuse the work with typical angst and claims that society is following the wrong leaders who sold us out to corporate interests.

It’s pretty clear the green movement is a by product of a push for tighter government controls through an erosion of democratic rights (because we don’t know what’s good for us, never have over thousands of years) and the source of energy isn’t the issue, it’s how many of us are using it, and what we’re using it for.

It’s free on YouTube: https://youtu.be/Zk11vI-7czE

[Victoria Watcher]

It’s pretty clear the green movement is a by product of a push for tighter government controls through an erosion of democratic rights (because we don’t know what’s good for us, never have over thousands of years) and the source of energy isn’t the issue, it’s how many of us are using it, and what we’re using it for.

 

 

i'm not sure about this angle.

 

for some the green movement is about getting away from government monopolies like the power grid.

 

for politicians that mandated ridiculous green power buys by their utilities it's about creating photo ops about being seen to be green.  like how it's easy to ban plastic bags but harder to regulate vehicle gas mileage in an age where 1/2 or 3/4 of the vehicles sold in Canada are pick-up trucks and SUVs (ie. coal rollers).

Edited by Victoria Watcher, 26 April 2020 - 05:12 AM.

[Mike K.]

You should watch the film. The underlying theory is there’s no getting away from the grid.

But my point is more along the lines that the ultimate goal is not the pipe dream of alternative energy which proves time and time again to be absurdly unreliable, fragile in its construction and itself requires huge sums of energy to produce and operate, but population control. Eugenics is laced throughout this whole documentary.

Moore gives us a glimpse into Environmentalism 2.0, where your presence is the issue, not whether you drive an electric or ICE vehicle and what powers it.

[Victoria Watcher]

who embraces this “ultimate goal” as you describe? I don’t think environmentalists in general do.

as to your second paragraph. just like lots of groups environmentalists hold hypocritical views. they say overpopulation is a problem but they still have kids and pets and cars.

Edited by Victoria Watcher, 26 April 2020 - 05:45 AM.

[Mike K.]

^and promote abortions like deals at Best Buy.

Nobody said environmentalists aren’t hypocrites.

[Mike K.]

At the 46 minute mark they really turn up the population control rhetoric.

“Every expert I talked to,” says the director and narrator, “they all wanted to bring my attention to the same underlying problem.”

“...there are too many human beings using too much too fast.”

“...as a global community we really need to start dealing with population growth.”

“...population growth continues to be not the elephant but the herd of elephants in the room.”

“Can a single species that has come to dominate the planet,” the director begins asking, to which his interviewee responds “...be smart enough to voluntarily limit its own presence?”

“...we have to have our abilities to consume reigned in...”

“...species hit the population wall and then they crash, that’s a common story in biology. If it happens to us, in a way, it’s the natural order of things...”

Make no mistake, the green movement is dead, and eugenics is hot to trot!

[Sparky]

I would have liked to have seen some time spent analyzing hydro electric sources which I think is a relatively clean source of energy.

[Mike K.]

It was quite the battle for Site-C. The Green Party tried to kill it, and Horgan had no choice but to go along with the plan for a little bit.

I’m sure that once you sum up all of the energy required to build it, and the land that it floods, it makes quite an environmental impact at the outset.

[Sparky]

^ Yes but then a half a century or more of relatively green renewable energy.

[Sparky]

^^ Where would the Green Party prefer we get our energy from?

[Mike K.]

Nothing in this is new. With regards to its wind and solar parts, it smacks of 2010s era climate change denial, in which renewables were seen by detractors as expensive, wasteful, low-capacity, heavily corporatised and destined to fail. Things are different in 2020, but the director isn’t. He doesn’t need to be.

- https://ketanjoshi.c...lazy-old-myths/

2010s-era was, what, four months and 27 days ago, wasn’t it?

The attempts to re-position green energy failures as ancient history (aka last year, or three years ago, maybe five) are a little thin here.

Our reviewer lambasting the documentary, whom Elizabeth May retweeted, btw, appears to confuse 100% up time with 100% operational capacity:

This extremely silly concept – that coal-fired power stations run at 100% capacity all the time regardless of how much power they output – is so old it hurts my brain. In fact, it was big in 2012, when I came across it in Australian media. It’s wrong. If the power plant generates less electricity, it uses less coal. Gibbs is putting this eight-year-old meme in the microwave and serving it up in for his audience.

The documentary correctly stated that the coal powered plant has to remain online 100% of the time in the event renewables can’t deliver enough juice, and so that it can immediately kick into action. They didn’t mean it’s on at full blast, all the time.

[Mike K.]

^^ Where would the Green Party prefer we get our energy from?

The stuff Gibbs and Moore just exposed for what it is.

I’m making popcorn already in anticipation for this week’s pressers with Manly and May.

[Sparky]

This reminds me of a story my mother told me of being on a tour bus up where forests were harvested mid island.

Betty, the tour guide with the microphone, was talking smack about the devastating actions of the loggers and pulp producers.....when from the back of the bus some old man pipes up and says....

....”excuse me Betty...do you mind telling us what you wipe your ass with?”

[Mike K.]

Oh yeah, classic!

[Tom Braybrook]

This reminds me of a story my mother told me of being on a tour bus up where forests were harvested mid island.

Betty, the tour guide with the microphone, was talking smack about the devastating actions of the loggers and pulp producers.....when from the back of the bus some old man pipes up and says....

....”excuse me Betty...do you mind telling us what you wipe your ass with?”

,,,pretty sure betty was into reusable linen ass-wipes OR perhaps tp made with bamboo or hemp fibers...  

[Victoria Watcher]

i just watched the movie.  it's got lots of issues.  a few points.  but mostly rubbish when it talks about human extinction being natural.

 

 

 

“...species hit the population wall and then they crash, that’s a common story in biology. If it happens to us, in a way, it’s the natural order of things...”

 

 

 

i mean that's just not logical.

 

here is the national post article on the film:  https://nationalpost...4a-715c5dc73d81

 

it's now had nearly 3 million views since april 21st.

 

 

 

Environmentalists demand that Michael Moore’s anti-EV film be retracted - https://electrek.co/...m-be-retracted/

 

 

Michael Moore’s “Planet Of The Humans” Skewers Renewables, Delivers Same Old Anti-Human Malthusianism - https://www.forbes.c...m/#36b77c3a73dc

 

 

 

OPINION: Michael Moore’s ‘Planet of the Humans’ Film Trashes Clean Energy, Offers Zero Solutions - https://www.greenque...zero-solutions/

 

 

 

The Moralistic Mauvaise Foi of “Planet of the Humans” - https://dissidentvoi...-of-the-humans/

 

 

 

GREEN BROWNSHIRTS STRIKE AT MICHAEL MOORE - https://www.powerlin...chael-moore.php

Edited by Victoria Watcher, 26 April 2020 - 06:58 PM.

[Victoria Watcher]

about an hour in they talk a lot about the fallacy of "biomass" plants and "wood chips" that's quite interesting.  in some parts of north america and the world that just means cutting down and burning whole trees.

[LJ]

At the 46 minute mark they really turn up the population control rhetoric.

“Every expert I talked to,” says the director and narrator, “they all wanted to bring my attention to the same underlying problem.”

“...there are too many human beings using too much too fast.”

“...as a global community we really need to start dealing with population growth.”

“...population growth continues to be not the elephant but the herd of elephants in the room.”

“Can a single species that has come to dominate the planet,” the director begins asking, to which his interviewee responds “...be smart enough to voluntarily limit its own presence?”

“...we have to have our abilities to consume reigned in...”

“...species hit the population wall and then they crash, that’s a common story in biology. If it happens to us, in a way, it’s the natural order of things...”

Make no mistake, the green movement is dead, and eugenics is hot to trot!

Covid man, Covid, give it time it will get the job done.

[Mike K.]

about an hour in they talk a lot about the fallacy of "biomass" plants and "wood chips" that's quite interesting. in some parts of north america and the world that just means cutting down and burning whole trees.

They never mention in the documentary that whether you burn the tree as “biomass” or it eventually dies and rots the same volume of carbon is released into the atmosphere, but faster. And the thing about biomass is it’s a natural cycle that’s happening (plant matter grows then dies) and unlike fossil fuels the same carbon is being released over and over, so no more is technically added when you burn a tree as opposed to burning coal or oil.

Anyways, as far as air quality goes biomass isn’t good at the scales it’s burned, and given the additives it needs to burn well. The love affair with it is odd for the Sierra Club and its ilk.

Oh yeah and the guy talking about farming practices dependent on oil not being sustainable started stuttering like nobody’s business when he tried to pull the wool. Our present day farming practices are literally a miracle, where one combine’s efforts can feed thousands of people every day. We’re literally in the bonanza stage of food production and the practices are only getting better.

[tanker]

Basically when the Soviet Union collapsed leftists coalesced around the environmental movement as a way to institute worldwide socialism. Green on the outside, red on the inside. The long march continues. Now throw in the Wuhan lung rot and you've got the road to serfdom. Stalin's dream.