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[Mike K.]

Right, very good points.

[RFS]

I think the continguous corridor would be sacrificed if First Nations development were impeded, which it would be in the case of the Songhees.

What development?

[Mike K.]

There’s a few things in the works, according to word on the street.

[splashflash]

What development?

“I’ve always said just tear up the tracks and give us our land back,” he said. “It cuts our reserve in three pieces with the railway and Admirals Road, you know. It makes our land harder to be able to develop."

From this article in the TC:
http://www.timescolo...-says-1.2306797

[mbjj]

We are plenty big enough for a Tram. We were a lot smaller when they ran all over Victoria. There are plenty of cities our scale with trams. We don’t need to create one from scratch! We just need to revive what we already have. That is a huge difference.

Trams in the city of Bordeaux are excellent. Some of the tracks are embedded in grass and almost invisible. They are nearly silent. Bordeaux isn't a huge city. I think they are made by Bombardier.

[Danma]

Trams in the city of Bordeaux are excellent. Some of the tracks are embedded in grass and almost invisible. They are nearly silent. Bordeaux isn't a huge city. I think they are made by Bombardier.

 

Indeed, quite pleasant. 
 

https://www.youtube....h?v=i0dAhRbIPZI

 

Bordeaux has a population of 250k, urban is 760k and metro area is 1.2m. Opened in 2003, looks like there's about 60 km of tramway now.  Daily ridership of 282k, which is pretty impressive!

Edited by Danma, 01 June 2018 - 12:16 PM.

[Old Esquimalt]

This is the most hilarious post I've seen. A conspiracy to get rid of a rail line that was running a tiny bud car every day. The rail line closed because no one likes trains. That's the truth of it. People don't like trains or buses or bikes. They like CARS. 

 

And what happened a day or two after the new bridge opened?  Hourigan comes out and says, "the railway can't get into downtown anymore so it won't be viable for commuter rail and we don't need the E&N."

 

What a coincidence.

[Cats4Hire]

Could you really consider the old bridge "downtown"? That's like if there was a rail line down Blanshard that stopped in front of the arena. Sure it technically is downtown but no one's going to walk from the Inner Harbour up to Blanshard or even potentially Quadra.

[On the Level]

^ Depends on the benefits of the service.  Having commuted on the Westcoast Express, I was happy to take a bus to the Port Moody terminal, take the train, then walk 6 to 8 blocks downtown Vancouver to the office.  Why?  Because the train was a fast non-stop run that more than made up for walking a few blocks.  

 

The "Rapid Buses" are still going to get hung up at traffic lights and more stops.  They are simply not going to entice people to stop driving their cars. 

[RFS]

I think stopping at the roundhouse is too far but what if it could stop right at the pedestrian overpass of the new bridge? Like by the deltas tennis courts or that new public square the city is putting in? Quick walk across the bridge and you're downtown

[Old Esquimalt]

“I’ve always said just tear up the tracks and give us our land back,” he said. “It cuts our reserve in three pieces with the railway and Admirals Road, you know. It makes our land harder to be able to develop."

From this article in the TC:
http://www.timescolo...-says-1.2306797

 

Is there anyone here who needs to have "develop" explained to them?

[On the Level]

So apparently the E&N is still commercially viable for freight....albeit small.  This was pasted 2 weeks ago...and apparently the rail line is still in use Nanaimo north and south.  Anyone know how much maintenance has been done on the rail line?  I know they put in a new rail ferry terminal a few years ago.....

 

https://www.youtube....h?v=P0iesNzdv9Y

 

And this was from July....delivering propane so one would think the rails are in reasonable shape

 

https://www.youtube....?v=yG7G6F5Wxww 

Edited by On the Level, 27 August 2018 - 06:25 PM.

[Mike K.]

Yup! It’s still an active line up there, but it’s very limited.

I’ve walked quite a large section of the E$N (see what I did there, lol?) north of the CRD and that track is in TERRIBLE shape in some areas.

[Victoria Watcher]

more icf talk

https://www.timescol...-yet-1.23570436

[UrbanRail]

So apparently the E&N is still commercially viable for freight....albeit small.  This was pasted 2 weeks ago...and apparently the rail line is still in use Nanaimo north and south.  Anyone know how much maintenance has been done on the rail line?  I know they put in a new rail ferry terminal a few years ago.....

 

https://www.youtube....h?v=P0iesNzdv9Y

 

And this was from July....delivering propane so one would think the rails are in reasonable shape

 

https://www.youtube....?v=yG7G6F5Wxww 

 

There is a lot of transloading of railcars at Welcox yard. According to SRYVI there are about 900 carloads a year.

[Victoria Watcher]

“There have already been at least 10 studies done on this rail line, which I believe is the most studies done on one line in all of North America, and I don’t know why there were so many. Now it sounds like we have to wait for yet another study to be completed.”


https://www.vicnews....oundation-head/

[splashflash]

There is a lot of transloading of railcars at Welcox yard. According to SRYVI there are about 900 carloads a year.

Which is not a lot and why reactivating the railway beyond its current active section to Wellington is not economical.

Edited by splashflash, 26 January 2019 - 06:51 AM.

[splashflash]

“There have already been at least 10 studies done on this rail line, which I believe is the most studies done on one line in all of North America, and I don’t know why there were so many. Now it sounds like we have to wait for yet another study to be completed.”
https://www.vicnews....oundation-head/

•In the hope that it would state differently from the 2010 IBI study showing minimal prospects for freight rail growth into the trucking sector market
•In hopes that unlike in the 2007 Stantec Malahat study, diversion of Malahat passenger traffic to using the 50 km/hr rail line would not occur without serious tolls on that section of highway. The rail option was outperformed by more flexible and faster buses, which have been implemented as the 2007 study recommended.

Edited by splashflash, 26 January 2019 - 06:50 AM.

[Victoria Watcher]

how many buses come over each day now? 3?

looks like 6. unless more than one bus is used on certain departure times.

Edited by Victoria Watcher, 26 January 2019 - 06:54 AM.

[splashflash]

Yes, the 66 and 99.


https://www.bctransi...erview?route=66

https://www.bctransi...erview?route=99

Now if tolls were set on the Malahat, imagine what could be done with buses! But that won't happen because of the precedent set by the Port Mann toll removal.