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[VicHockeyFan]

Thomas earned $100,449 per year for governing over a community of 150 members.

 

http://fnp-ppn.aandc...penses&lang=eng

 

That's more than all the mayors in the region, except maybe Saanich and Victoria, it's close to them.

 

In fact the entire council earned $261,862 per year, or $1,745 per Esquimalt Nation resident.

 

The system is a poor one.

[Nparker]

Thomas earned $100,449 per year for governing over a community of 150 members...

A figure that becomes more concerning when compared against the average annual income of those he governed.

[VicHockeyFan]

It's also $100,449 income tax free.  

 

The median income for on-reserve natives across the country is $14,000.

Edited by VicHockeyFan, 15 April 2018 - 08:05 AM.

[spanky123]

Thomas earned $100,449 per year for governing over a community of 150 members.

 

http://fnp-ppn.aandc...penses&lang=eng

 

That's more than all the mayors in the region, except maybe Saanich and Victoria, it's close to them.

 

In fact the entire council earned $261,862 per year, or $1,745 per Esquimalt Nation resident.

 

The system is a poor one.

 

Again only speaking in general terms, the 'salary' the chief and other band (council) members make in at least some cases is immaterial compared to what they make on land leases and commercial activities. 

[rjag]

Its bizarre that the last Conservative Government required FN to disclose Band salaries and the current 'progressive' Liberal Government vetoed it. Now individual Band Members have to sue to force salary disclosure in many cases. 

 

Some bands disclose, most don't. Looking at the salary disclosure for Esq I don't think its that bad if its in relation to any revenue producing activity for the Band. But it doesn't disclose any wages paid at any of those commercial activities as well

[spanky123]

Its bizarre that the last Conservative Government required FN to disclose Band salaries and the current 'progressive' Liberal Government vetoed it. Now individual Band Members have to sue to force salary disclosure in many cases. 

 

Some bands disclose, most don't. Looking at the salary disclosure for Esq I don't think its that bad if its in relation to any revenue producing activity for the Band. But it doesn't disclose any wages paid at any of those commercial activities as well

 

I am sure that most bands are run by responsible people who support their members. As we know from past financial disclosures and scandals related to casinos and other projects, many are not.

 

The conservatives tried to open up disclosure and force more transparency but it was lose-lose. Obviously those who were not treating their members fairly didn't want to do the reporting, but even those bands that were on the up and up didn't want it either as any negative outcomes (ie the chief getting paid $1M a year) become national stories that reflect poorly on all bands. FN are one of the fastest growing demographics so I am sure that Justin did the math and decided to do away with disclosure and get the votes instead.

 

I have heard stories of chiefs and band councils who cheat their own band members to extent that make any accusations against the white man look trivial by comparison. 

[VicHockeyFan]

222 aboriginal chiefs and counselors from First Nations communities across Canada earn more money than their provincial premiers, and 82 make more than the prime minister.

That was in 2010. So I’d say at least 222 bands are corrupt.

[RFS]

Once we give them the money it becomes their money and they are supposed to be independent nations who make their own destiny so I'd be inclined to say who cares. But what I have a problem with is when these corrupt band leaders then go on to complain and say the governemnt doesn't give them enough. Like the insanely corrupt rich as hell "idle no more" lady and her laughable fish soup hunger strike.

[VicHockeyFan]

Does every First Nation in Canada have a hereditary chief?

 

No. In some communities waves of smallpox and measles epidemics wiped out the entire hereditary lineage. These communities rely on elected chief and council as laid out by the Indian Act.

 

 

How is the hereditary chief title passed to next person?

 

Each community and culture has its own protocols and ceremony. In many west coast cultures, the title and responsibilities are passed to successive hereditary chiefs during a potlatch.

 

What happens if there isn’t someone next-in-line to take on the title and responsibilities?

 

Again, each community may have its own protocol and ceremony for passing the title along. In some communities it can go down through the men and others through the women. They will also have rules about next person to inherit if there is no available or willing heir. I am aware of one culture who if the oldest nephew does not want the responsibility they can pass it to the next oldest nephew as long as it’s conducted in a public ceremony. I know in other cultural practices that if there is no son then it goes to the daughter who takes it with her as dowry to her new husband. Those are just two examples of many. Remember, there are 11 major language families, 50 different dialects, and over 600 bands in Canada. There are many, many more examples but we just wanted to give a small perspective.

 

 

https://www.ictinc.c...tion-and-5-faqs

 

So who's the next Esquimalt chief?  He had 9 kids, one had died, and 6 appear to be male, according to his obituary.

Edited by VicHockeyFan, 15 April 2018 - 06:36 PM.

[Jackerbie]

Not sure whether to start this in a new thread over in the Sports section. CBC is reporting that the Songhees FN has provincial and municipal support for their bid to host the North American Indigenous Games in 2020. Ottawa and Halifax-area FNs have also submitted bids. http://www.cbc.ca/ne...-2020-1.4622487

[VicHockeyFan]

Word on the street is that our bid is not very solid, not very comprehensive.  Light o details.  And we are not the front-runner.  But who knows, right...

Edited by VicHockeyFan, 17 April 2018 - 07:54 AM.

[Mattjvd]

Not sure whether to start this in a new thread over in the Sports section. CBC is reporting that the Songhees FN has provincial and municipal support for their bid to host the North American Indigenous Games in 2020. Ottawa and Halifax-area FNs have also submitted bids. http://www.cbc.ca/ne...-2020-1.4622487

PISE has posters up about hosting some events for the 2020 games. I couldn't tell it was advertising the bid, or pre-maturely talking about the actual events.

[spanky123]

Word on the street is that our bid is not very solid, not very comprehensive.  Light o details.  And we are not the front-runner.  But who knows, right...

 

In my opinion our bid is light because the reality is that we don't want the games. The goal is to only make it look like we are interested in order to appease local FN. No media coverage, no national sponsors and a demographic that most advertisers are not that concerned about.

[VicHockeyFan]

It was also the first official event attended by Esquimalt Chief Edward Thomas, who recently took up the position from his father.

[amor de cosmos]

It’s shocking to me how many Canadians don’t know the meaning of the name Canada, the name Manitoba, the name Winnipeg,” says Niigaan Sinclair, a professor in the Department of Native Studies at the University of Manitoba. (He is also a member of this magazine’s educational review committee.) When it comes to place names, “it means we have an illiterate citizenry.”

“Two things have to happen in the act,” Sinclair says. His father, Senator Murray Sinclair, chaired the trc, the final report of which called for the creation of the act. “First, Indigenous languages must be recognized as founding languages of the country—all of them. And second, there have to be the resources and support to ensure these languages carry on into the future. Without these two things, reconciliation is impossible.”

*snip*

Indigenous leaders have told Joly the act should recognize Indigenous languages as a right under Section 35 of the constitution—the section that now affirms “existing aboriginal and treaty rights”—and place control over language funding in the hands of Indigenous people themselves. Although a final decision has not yet been taken, it seems likely that the act will also establish the offices of three language commissioners (one each for Métis people, First Nations, and Inuit). “The social contract in Canada,” Joly suggests, “is based on three pillars. First, there are two official languages. Second, we protect minorities and we support multiculturalism. Now we’re adding the third pillar: reconciliation. That’s fundamental to our social contract.” None of those pillars, it’s worth noting, were in place before the late 1960s.

https://thewalrus.ca...d-bilingualism/

just sayin
https://www.pwnhc.ca...st-territories/
https://www.pwnhc.ca/hello-my-name-is/

Edited by amor de cosmos, 31 May 2018 - 07:24 AM.

[spanky123]

^ Hmm, seems like Mr. Sinclair doesn't know Canadian history. Cartier came up with the name Canada. Now it is believed that he derived it from an Iroquois word (Kanata), but I don't believe that it was ever definitively agreed upon that it was the origin.

[waiting for janion]

Appears to me Mr. Sinclair said many people don't know the origin of the name.  He didn't say no one knew it.

[LJ]

Get Trudeau to apologize for that.

[spanky123]

This is unfortunate but exactly what we have been saying here over the years. The SJWs have been taking FN groups backwards in the eyes of their fellow Canadians.

 

https://www.macleans...s-really-think/

[Mike K.]

Wow, that was quite the read.