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#7861 Gary H

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Posted 10 February 2020 - 05:18 PM

There is no traffic on the Bay St. Bridge.  West bound is traffic is stopped and backed up.  Looks like the protesters have blocked that bridge as well.



#7862 Mike K.

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Posted 10 February 2020 - 05:22 PM

Yes, both are blocked. At what point does this become criminal?
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#7863 Nparker

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Posted 10 February 2020 - 05:24 PM

Each time the general public is disrupted by these sort of stunts, support for the protestors dwindles. I am not sure why they don't see this and adopt tactics more likely to get people on their side.



#7864 Rob Randall

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Posted 10 February 2020 - 05:30 PM

^See: Clayoquot.


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#7865 Rob Randall

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Posted 10 February 2020 - 05:31 PM

Google Maps shows both bridges shut.


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#7866 Gary H

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Posted 10 February 2020 - 05:34 PM

We did not give our consent to block our bridges.  No Consent - No Access.


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#7867 laconic

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Posted 10 February 2020 - 05:35 PM

Both bridges are blocked. The chaos is amazing since traffic has nowhere to go.

#7868 Cats4Hire

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Posted 10 February 2020 - 05:41 PM

Both bridges are blocked. The chaos is amazing since traffic has nowhere to go.

go up Government to Gorge and cross at Tillicum. That doesn't cause extra greenhouse gas!



#7869 Victoria Watcher

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Posted 10 February 2020 - 05:48 PM

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#7870 rmpeers

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Posted 10 February 2020 - 05:49 PM

Yes, both are blocked. At what point does this become criminal?


Ha.. if our mayor and council think it's politically advantageous to them, it's legal. That is the only guiding principal. The fact that it upsets and punishes motorists will no doubt cause significant arousal in the council chambers, too, but that's just an added bonus.
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#7871 Cats4Hire

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Posted 10 February 2020 - 05:55 PM

Basing on the #ShutCanadaDown trend on Twitter this seems to be a country-wide thing. Scrolling through no one seems to be getting arrested anywhere so for once we can't just blame Victoria as they aren't alone in not acting https://twitter.com/...src=trend_click



#7872 Gary H

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Posted 10 February 2020 - 06:11 PM

Oh, they're getting arrested - you just need someone to say "enough" and get a court injunction, like the Port Authority did in Delta.

 

The protesters vowed to ignore the injunction...  and they got arrested.

 

https://www.straight...rity-injunction


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#7873 kenmuir

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Posted 10 February 2020 - 06:23 PM

Transit is rerouting via Tillicum Rd, but it looks like the 14/15 aren't servicing any stops on the downtown side of Tillicum/Lampson, according to the detour route on NextRide.
 
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#7874 Nparker

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Posted 10 February 2020 - 06:26 PM

^See: Clayoquot.

In no way is the blocking of main transportation systems like the Clayoquot protests.



#7875 AllseeingEye

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Posted 10 February 2020 - 06:28 PM

Well that was an utter gong show: we headed to the bridge, our usual commute route to and from work but peeled off the approach proper as soon as we saw the police cars - I won't repeat my wife's comment directed at the protesters, needless to say it involved inserting various inanimate objects into unnatural orifices among other things - then roared up Johnson to Government with the idea of crossing at Bay Street: unfortunately 3000 other cars all had the same plan all at the same time hence = total gridlock. Half way to the Bay St bridge a bus driver yells over to us "those &&^%#@@-s have now shut down this bridge!"....

 

So we cut over onto Douglas, left on Burnside to Finlayson, over the hump and a right onto Gorge and......its beyond gridlock. Traffic on Gorge was limping along inch by inch. Our normal 1.5 kilometer, 10 minute (drive) commute took 70 minutes tonight.

 

Anyone heading to Vic West-Esquimalt, and likely a good number heading ultimately to View Royal and the West Shore all squeezed into the few arterial roads available and with the predictable results. Along with understanding and patience another concept that was completely flushed IMO was any sympathy the protest organizers might've been hoping to garner from the general public. Read the comments on the local Facebook Groups....ouch! But after this s*** show of an experience tonight its sadly quite understandable. I think the protesters really need to take a step back and re-think their 'strategy' because if tonight was any indication it gets a big FAIL.


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#7876 Nparker

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Posted 10 February 2020 - 06:29 PM

Oh, they're getting arrested - you just need someone to say "enough" and get a court injunction, like the Port Authority did in Delta....

There should be no need to get a court injunction for police to intervene in keeping public roads open.


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#7877 Cats4Hire

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Posted 10 February 2020 - 06:30 PM

Transit is rerouting via Tillicum Rd, but it looks like the 14/15 aren't servicing any stops on the downtown side of Tillicum/Lampson, according to the detour route on NextRide.
 
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Next Ride never updates to show stops on detour routes unless the detour is going to last for a few days from what I've noticed. Probably too much effort for something that doesn't really matter

 

Just realized I misunderstood you and thought you meant they aren't serving stops on Tillicum/Lampson. 24/25 also aren't serving there so it would really suck to live anywhere that isn't really walking distance over the bridge (since they're letting pedestrians over) or Lampson/Tillicum)


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#7878 Gary H

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Posted 10 February 2020 - 07:02 PM

The JSB just reopened.



#7879 todd

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Posted 10 February 2020 - 07:07 PM

The JSB just reopened.


How did that happen?

#7880 kenmuir

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Posted 10 February 2020 - 07:08 PM

Yeah, I worded that badly.  There was just no bus service to Vic West and a significant portion of Esquimalt.  
 
Saturday's disruption had the 14 turning right off Bay onto Skinner and the 15 turning left onto Tyee.  The 15 was servicing the singular stop that the 14 usually did, before resuming the regular route at Esquimalt at Tyee.  

 

This time, I'd have expected the 15 to take Craigflower to return to its route since it wasn't practical for the 14 to loop to do it, but it just thumbed its nose at all of Vic West and kept on Lampson.



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