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[Barrister]

When does the strike start?

[Blair M.]

For the Feds to continue to pretend that Canada Post is actually a "stand alone" organization that must solve its own problems is more than a bit disingenuous.

It's time to legislate the posties back to work, and let binding arbitration work things out between management and the union.

 

As irrelevant as some aspects of Canada Post have become, much of what they do is still a relevant backbone to some important Canadian businesses, industries, and charities.

[Victoria Watcher]

Well, I think Christmas is over now for CP deliveries.

[Victoria Watcher]

Well, I think Christmas is over now for CP deliveries.

 

[mbjj]

That's a great picture mbjj - can you say where (which province) this was?

It's on Vancouver Island. I have quite a few photos from that PO.

[Victoria Watcher]

Canada Post and the union representing postal workers are in a war of words as a countrywide strike enters its 27th day.

 

The Canadian Union of Postal Workers pushed back on recent criticisms from Canada Post in a bulletin to members Tuesday evening, giving a list of proposals it said are meant to bring the two parties closer together.

 

The statement came after Canada Post said Monday that the union's latest proposals widen the gap between the two parties, claiming in some cases the union has increased its demands.

 

The union said its latest proposals included wage increases lower than previously demanded, as well as a cost-of-living allowance and better job security.

 

https://www.timescol...ek-mark-9938030

Edited by Victoria Watcher, 11 December 2024 - 02:08 AM.

[Victoria Watcher]

RATIO:

 

 

Edited by Victoria Watcher, 11 December 2024 - 04:22 AM.

[aastra]

In their defense, was there ever any kind of popular expectation that deliveries would be made when it was snowing or raining? Or on hot days? Or after hours? I'm pretty sure any such expectation would be historically unprecedented. People have always assumed deliveries would be made during ideal conditions only.

Edited by aastra, 11 December 2024 - 11:40 AM.

[Matt R.]

Have they announced cuts to home delivery yet? About 1/3 of Canadians still get mail to their door five days a week I have read.

But what about the seniors? you can hear Aastra ask, how will they get mail? I guess the same way the other 2/3’s of seniors get their mail. From a super box.

[aastra]

"We will not be deterred from swift completion of our appointed rounds... as long as it remains exactly 70 degrees and slightly overcast."

[Victoria Watcher]

[Matt R.]

I hear today via a postmaster that letter carriers get an hourly wage that sucks but also get paid per item delivered, more for rural areas, more for longer routes, etc. lots of little bonus amounts.

Haven’t heard of that before.

[LJ]

My "mailperson" drives a car to the box, walks 5 feet and delivers mail to 30 homes. My Prime, UPS, Fedex people deliver to my door in any weather.

[Barrister]

Amazon also makes it to my door.

[Victoria Watcher]

I don't think urban carriers get paid by piece at all.

[Matt R.]

Not even for flyers? I haven’t seen any mention of this at all anywhere.

[Victoria Watcher]

Not even for flyers? I haven’t seen any mention of this at all anywhere.

 

Oh, maybe.

 

Here's a 586-page contract if you want to look it up. 

 

https://www.cupw730....0ab907a560d.pdf

 

 

Maybe that is one of the problems.  Their contract is 586 pages.

Edited by Victoria Watcher, 11 December 2024 - 08:30 PM.

[Victoria Watcher]

The federal labour minister says the government will remain on the sidelines as the Canada Post strike nears four weeks.

 

On Wednesday, Steven MacKinnon told reporters that Canadians are fed up with the countrywide strike by more than 55,000 workers, but that it's up to the two parties to get a deal done.

The federal government has been under pressure from business groups to intervene in the strike, as it has done in recent high-profile labour disputes.

 

Canada Post and the Canadian Union of Postal Workers have been in a war of words in recent days as federal mediation remains on pause.

 

On Wednesday, Canada Post said the union's new demands are unaffordable and unsustainable, claiming they would cost more than $3 billion over four years at a time when the postal service is struggling financially.

 

 

 

https://www.timescol...r-weeks-9938001

[Blair M.]

CUPW has crossed that invisible line that identifies who actually manages any given company, such that the CUPW negotiators believe they have a hand in managing Canada Post.

Many of the unions demands are, in fact, operational and management decisions that are to be made by managers - not the union.

Which is not to imply that I believe Canada Post managers are doing a particularly good job, but does acknowledge that decisions revolving around things like week-end delivery aren't for employees (or their representatives) to make.

 

The two sides are currently so far apart as to make further conventional collective bargaining impossible.

Time for the Feds to legislate back to work, and leave the two parties to deal with the issues that remain via binding arbitration.

 

I get that the Feds take heat when they legislate labour actions to an end, but in this case it's terribly obvious that the two parties won't ever reach an agreement with traditional bargaining, so further delay of back to work legislation only creates pain for those large segments of Canadian society that depend heavily on Canada Post.

[Mike K.]

Good work, Blair. Your insights are always appreciated.