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[HB]

Strange, out of all the recent posts there is only one person referring to the boaters as social misfits, outcasts and long haired freaks.

Go ahead and take it out of context .
I am referring to term that have been sloshed around for the past 15 years.

[HB]

The piles of garbage are at the garbage cans in the park (while everyone else in the city pays for disposal)

The turds that are flushed into the water are well, in the water.

I can go photograph those if you want

Oh so they are floating around with all the turds that flow out of Clover Point and MacCaully and Oak bay outfalls?

What makes it any worse is it becasue you may actually see one there.
Ive seen my fair share of tampon applicators on many beaches in the Victoria area. God forbid if one was ever found in the Gorge . the find them in the San Juans and on Whidbey Island beaches too.

So anyone living on a sewer line that dumps int othe Ocean is just as guilty of dumping feces into the ocean as theboaters if they are too.

Typical nimbyism.
A person flushes their home toilet in their home and it all goes away and if you cant see where it goes its not really there.
If a boater flushes his head and it goes into the water and you can see it then its worse.

[Baro]

Well the whole point of the sewage system is to take the sewage away from humans. Poop floating around a intensely used recreational area is not cool and not comparable to poop out in the sea where the local life actually quite enjoys it. I'm not really that upset about the squatters, housing them on those boats and maybe spending a little extra on litter cleanup is nothing compared to the cost of housing them in a shelter on land. But to say there's no difference between them tossing big ol' turds off the side of their boat and someone flushing their toilet is just silly.

[VicHockeyFan]

I'm not really that upset about the squatters, housing them on those boats and maybe spending a little extra on litter cleanup is nothing compared to the cost of housing them in a shelter on land.

Look at these boats, most look to be in OK shape, I'm not all that sure that these boaters would be living in shelters on land, that we'd be paying for. I'm also not all that upset about them either.

[LJ]

[quote name='History Buff']

Ive seen my fair share of tampon applicators on many beaches in the Victoria area. God forbid if one was ever found in the Gorge . the find them in the San Juans and on Whidbey Island beaches too.

So anyone living on a sewer line that dumps int othe Ocean is just as guilty of dumping feces into the ocean as theboaters if they are too.

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Those must be some pretty small tampons considering everything is screened to 6mm.

Probably from those nasty rich boaters that aren't anchored in the Gorge.

[kenjh]

great picture ..calm ..just wanted to say thank's for that..

[VicHockeyFan]

[quote name='LJ'][quote name='History Buff']

Ive seen my fair share of tampon applicators on many beaches in the Victoria area. God forbid if one was ever found in the Gorge . the find them in the San Juans and on Whidbey Island beaches too.

So anyone living on a sewer line that dumps int othe Ocean is just as guilty of dumping feces into the ocean as theboaters if they are too.

quote]

Those must be some pretty small tampons considering everything is screened to 6mm.

Probably from those nasty rich boaters that aren't anchored in the Gorge.[/QUOTE]

You mean the richer (the boater) you are, the smaller your vagina is?

[Mike K.]

Look at these boats, most look to be in OK shape, I'm not all that sure that these boaters would be living in shelters on land, that we'd be paying for. I'm also not all that upset about them either.

I've been saying that all along. I don't know where the notion that these individuals are outcasts and otherwise unhousable comes from. Perhaps it's just more romantic to think of these folks as having made a choice to live on some fringe of society, on a boat of all things, and not that they simply ...want to live on a boat without paying the associated costs.

The reality is there are plenty of people living on boats in our marinas. The costs are fairly low all things considered, but if your buddy says you can moor off of Bamfield Park for free and more or less have the same services without anyone looking over your shoulder, you might be inclined to join him despite the shortcomings.

[ZGsta]

Oh so they are floating around with all the turds that flow out of Clover Point and MacCaully and Oak bay outfalls?

What makes it any worse is it becasue you may actually see one there.
Ive seen my fair share of tampon applicators on many beaches in the Victoria area. God forbid if one was ever found in the Gorge . the find them in the San Juans and on Whidbey Island beaches too.

So anyone living on a sewer line that dumps int othe Ocean is just as guilty of dumping feces into the ocean as theboaters if they are too.

Typical nimbyism.
A person flushes their home toilet in their home and it all goes away and if you cant see where it goes its not really there.
If a boater flushes his head and it goes into the water and you can see it then its worse.

Not to get into a whole sewage thing, but if you're seeing tampon applicators in the ocean then it's not from sewage. You don't just flush your toilet and it goes into the ocean, there's stages of screening and processing.

[HB]

Ive been in the clover point plant and there are ways of things to get past the screens. They are not failsafe an dthey do no prevent everything for getting through especially plastic....there are also many area in the Citys underground infastructure where cross contamination occurs.

Yes ladies and gentlemen sewer gets into storm systems and visa versa where the infastructure has not been maintained and due to age.
So when you flush your toilet there is a chance that some or all of it may not even make it into the propers system and will end up on the seashore at a storm water outfall. Ever wondered why some of the pipes along the banks below Dallas rd have warnings on them that the liquid pouring out of them onto the sand may contain pollted water?

To think that nothing bigger than 6mm can escape the flowline is absurd.

There was a time when the pipes from tehe outfalls only went a few feet into the ocean. With all of the effluent and other items floating near the shores the CRD moved the pepes farther out into deeper water where they can be seen and where the flushing action of the sea is greater and where it is out of sight.

People compain about the $98 million price tag on JSB replacement ...that is nothing compared to what the cost will be if they ever get around to replacing and repairing the antiquated sewer system which like the JSB has been neglected.

When things are not maintained on a regular basis they end up being beyond repair.

[HB]

[HB]

The concern about effluent that may or may not be coming from a few boats is miniscule when compared to what comes from land such as leaking septic tanks and sewer systems
Not all of these outfall in the 1970s map are still in use but many are.
#1 Belmont park has been decomissioned but anyone walking the beach near the house at the bridge will be treated with a viewof the exposed rusting pipe sticking out of teh sand

[Gipper]

You dont like it when I repost some terms that he public has used in regard to these people who want to live on boats?

This issue doesn't concern me, I just found it odd that you were being such a stickler for the rules regarding a minor transgression by a couple overworked and underpaid paramedics but you're willing to let the rules slide in this case. You seemed really outraged about the paramedics parking backwards.

[HB]

but you're willing to let the rules slide in this case. You seemed really outraged about the paramedics parking backwards.

Let what rules slide?

The live aboards are not breaking any rules
Where as the paramedics are breaking a municipal parking bylaw And a BC motor vehicle act


Please continue and let me know what laws the boaters are breaking according to you

[Mike K.]

^for starters they are dumping their refuse into municipal garbage cans which are not meant to be used as refuse dumps. A coffee cup, yes, a dozen bags of garbage, no. The City, on the tax payers dime, must then send a crew to collect the copious amounts of garbage strewn around the bins almost immediately as opposed to when their regularly scheduled refuse collection would take them there.

[JohnN]

A 2011 CRD map of storm sewage discharges points to #0758A as having public health concerns, and is very close to both the moored boats and to the Banfield Park wharf where some of the Gorge waterway swimmers like to dive in.

https://sites.google...em-storm-drains

[Mike K.]

Hmm, which happens to be exactly where the boats are moored.

[JohnN]

Probably neither the moored boats' sewage discharge or #0758A storm sewage discharge would be significant public health threats to swimmers. Threat might depend on when the discharges happen - like is it ebb or flood current , how much coming from boats, and when swimmers are actually in the water.

[stormy]

[quote name='VicHockeyFan'][quote name='LJ']

You mean the richer (the boater) you are, the smaller your vagina is?[/quote]


Well if you're rich you can pay to have anything you want changed....lol.

[Bingo]

Prior to my recent post of June 15th there had only been two posts on this thread in a year. Seems we have much to say but have not addressed my post of one week ago.

My concern on the 15th and today, is the potential for a fire on the boats rafted together. A fire would burn through any anchor lines and the current or the wind could take that mess into the nearby Selkirk Trestle.

If you want to see what a fire can do to creosoted timbers check out what happened to the Myra Canyon historic trestles a few years ago.

Our trestle is a major cycling route into the city. If we were to loose that structure due to a fire, it might never be rebuilt, especially in its present form.

By the way, I wonder how many of those boats have the mandatory holding tanks to prevent sewage from entering the harbour.