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[phx]

^ And if your lease is ripped up the day after your cheque clears which court is going to hear your complaint?!

 

Has that ever happened?

[Victoria Watcher]

There has been instability on leased native lands, yes.

[phx]

There have been some disputes, but I haven’t heard of any leases being torn up.

[Victoria Watcher]

Some years ago there wa a a bad issue at a mobile home park off West Saanich Road.

[spanky123]

Has that ever happened?

 

Certainly has. There is a reason why banks won't loan you money for these projects.

 

Having said that, it is not fair to lump every FN into the same boat. Many are very well run and managed and can be trusted to honour their agreements.

[Victoria Watcher]

Except banks don’t agree. But to be fair they also dislike other leasehold.

[Victoria Watcher]

Whatever happened here?

 

Instagram: 206 week since last post:

 

https://www.instagram.com/spiritbay/

 

Website is dead.

 

 

 

 

 

 

2018:

 

Spirit Bay Development gets $2.9 million boost

 

Funds will help create a commercial hub for 400 homes

 

https://www.sookenew...on-boost-148820

 

The $2.9 million was provided through the Indigenous Services Canada Community Opportunity Readiness Program, which helps First Nations with the development of economic opportunities in their communities.

 

“Sustained economic success for First Nation communities is a priority for the government of Canada. This investment will contribute to the growth and well-being of the Sc’ianew First Nation, create jobs and capitalize on economic opportunities,” Miller said.

 

The project includes a major housing development of 400 houses and a central business hub to service the community.

 

Construction is taking place on First Nation land, and the project has already completed 45 new homes, with another 20 under construction.

 

 

 

 

2016:

 

Spirit Bay will also have a town centre, with a bakery, grocery store, gas station, retail shops and other amenities.

Edited by Victoria Watcher, 05 March 2024 - 01:50 AM.

[Victoria Watcher]

Three listings say nothing of any communal facilities:

 

https://www.realtor....ooke-becher-bay

 

https://www.realtor....ooke-becher-bay

 

https://www.realtor....ooke-becher-bay

[Victoria Watcher]

2013:

 

 

Plans for a new town with houses built on pilings in the bay, holiday cottages, million-dollar homes, a commercial centre and spa were revealed Thursday by the Trust for Sustainable Development and Beecher Bay (Scia-new) First Nation.

 

Children pulled down a tarpaulin covering the large sign advertising Spirit Bay, with between 500 and 800 units to be built on reserve land overlooking the East Sooke waterfront.

 

It was a symbolic move as band members are hoping the development represents a better future for young people on a reserve that has been plagued with high unemployment and poverty.

 

 

https://www.timescol...r-sooke-4598621

Edited by Victoria Watcher, 05 March 2024 - 01:54 AM.

[Mike K.]

It doesn’t look like much of a town. Just some housing. The developer died while it was underway so I think there was a desire to finish the housing rather than complete the vision.

[Victoria Watcher]

November, 2023:

 

 

 

 

Beecher Bay First Nation gets $5.4M in federal funding for cultural centre

 

The building is expected to be the centrepiece of the nation’s town centre at Spirit Bay, which already contains a busy recreational fishing marina and dozens of homes

 

https://www.timescol...-centre-7842462

 

 

 

 

“The construction of the community cultural centre is a major project for the Sc’ianew First Nation,” said Anandasangaree. “It will serve Sc’ianew First Nation well and ensure everyone in the community can access culture and language, as well as strengthen their identities.

 

“This is another meaningful step in responding to the calls for justice, which call upon all governments to prioritize safe and meaningful access to culture and languages for Indigenous women, girls, and 2SLGBTQI+ people.”

Edited by Victoria Watcher, 05 March 2024 - 07:06 AM.

[LJ]

I rode around this development a few years ago on my motorcycle, I definitely got the impression the housing and "intruders" were not welcome. Spray-painted graffiti on signs, broken windows etc.

 

Not a community I would choose to live in.

[Victoria Watcher]

Spirit Bay, come for the peace and serenity of seaside living. Lovely community on the edge of the ocean, only 20 minutes from Langford. Approximately 3200 sq. ft corner lot, with services to the lot line. Use one of the many house designs available or bring your own plans. This is a leasehold land with a pre-paid, 99-year lease. Local marina just a stones throw away down the road. Spirit Bay has plenty to offer; boating, fishing and hiking to name a few! The future plans include a range of recreation facilities including tennis courts, swimming pool, multisport playing field, community gardens and more. Only 40 minutes to Victoria makes this beautiful community very accessible.

 

$269,000

 

https://www.realtor....ooke-becher-bay

 

[Nparker]

Colourful. It's like a cold, snowy, version of Burano.

[Matt R.]

St John’s.

[Victoria Watcher]

 

 

$699,900

 

 

 

1,141 sq. ft.

 

Not the most private setting.

 

https://www.realtor....ooke-becher-bay

Edited by Victoria Watcher, 04 August 2024 - 12:44 PM.

[Victoria Watcher]

It doesn’t look like much of a town. Just some housing. The developer died while it was underway so I think there was a desire to finish the housing rather than complete the vision.

 

But everyone is sitting on leasehold land, there was never any amenities, half the roads are unpaved.  The website is dead.

 

Who is taking charge of this thing?

Edited by Victoria Watcher, 04 August 2024 - 12:45 PM.

[Victoria Watcher]

http://www.quarternote.ca/home.html

 

[Victoria Watcher]

 

https://www.realtor....ooke-becher-bay

[Victoria Watcher]

But everyone is sitting on leasehold land, there was never any amenities, half the roads are unpaved.  The website is dead.

 

Who is taking charge of this thing?

 

A receiver, looks like.

 

 

 

 

 

First Nation development in East Sooke in receivership, after chronic money woes

 

The Spirit Bay project, first announced in 2013, was intended to foster business opportunities and jobs for Sc’ianew members and establish a tax base

 

https://www.timescol...ey-woes-9579735

 

 

 

 

Court documents say financial woes arose early on in the project. Only about 50 homes have been built and none since 2020, they say.

 

A planned sewage-treatment plant has not been built because of cash-flow problems. Sewage is pumped out and taken to the nation’s own plant, the documents say, and the water system is not sufficient to meet the needs of the Spirit Bay community, especially in the event of a fire.

 

Built on reserve land, the Spirit Bay community has been operated through long-term leases granted to Spirit Bay Developments, which, in turn, sold sub-leases to the public, the decision says.

 

The ownership structure is complex. Sc’ianew First Nation is a limited partner in Spirit Bay Developments and the sole shareholder of its general partner Beecher Bay GP Ltd.

 

Sc’ianew Nation is also the only shareholder of Spirit Bay Developments’ other limited partner: 1334314, which wholly owns the other general partner, TSD General Partners Inc. Spirit Bay Developments, Beecher Bay GP and TSD General Partners are all named in the documents.

 

The nation told the court that Spirit Bay is “financially and operationally doomed,” the decision says.

 

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An engineer estimated that a new sewage-treatment plant for both Spirit Bay and the nation would cost $16.9 million, she says in the documents.

 

In 2018, the federal government announced a $2.9-million grant to help develop 50,000 square feet of commercial space for a Spirit Bay town centre.

 

Then last November, the federal government announced another $5.4 million in funding for the Sc’ianew Nation to build a community cultural centre.

 

Fleming said in her decision that there was only “brief and vague” evidence from the nation of how the interests of residents, tenants and creditors will be addressed.

Edited by Victoria Watcher, 27 September 2024 - 04:38 AM.