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[LJ]

Dr. Patrick Moore - CO2 is good...

 

https://youtu.be/NzVMSxszudo

[dasmo]

We need to restrict farming to save people from starving!

He said that without cutting agricultural emissions, the world may not reach its goal of limiting global warming to 1.5 degrees Celsius - which scientists say must be achieved to avoid the worst impacts of climate change.

President Joe Biden has pledged the U.S. will reach net zero emissions by 2050.

Rising global temperatures have severe implications for malnutrition and food security worldwide, Kerry said.

https://www.reuters....e-idINL1N3771SC

[Nparker]

Clown world, farming edition.

[Victoria Watcher]

Jane Fonda blamed men – and racism – for climate change during a conversation at this year's Cannes Film Festival, arguing that without the patriarchy, the crisis allegedly of epic proportions would cease to exist.

"This is serious," she said Saturday. "We’ve got about seven, eight years to cut ourselves in half of what we use of fossil fuels, and unfortunately, the people that have the least responsibility for it are hit the hardest — Global South, people on islands, poor people of color. It is a tragedy that we have to absolutely stop. We have to arrest and jail those men — they’re all men [behind this]."



https://www.foxnews....lls-arrest-jail

Edited by Victoria Watcher, 28 May 2023 - 12:57 PM.

[Mike K.]

Fonda lives in a 6,700 square foot “townhouse.” - https://www.architec...ornia-townhouse

That’s the equivalent of 13 one-bedroom apartments. Maybe she can downsize a little, and start her effort there.

[Nparker]

Hypocrisy can usually be spelled H-O-L-L-Y-W-O-O-D.

[dasmo]

It’s not hypocritical. She is paid to lie. It’s her profession. That’s why she has the lifestyle she does.

[LJ]

Ah, Hanoi Jane, never met a protest she didn't like.

[Matt R.]

Fonda lives in a 6,700 square foot “townhouse.” - https://www.architec...ornia-townhouse

That’s the equivalent of 13 one-bedroom apartments. Maybe she can downsize a little, and start her effort there.

Remember when she took the helicopter tour of the oil sands? I laughed and laughed…

[Ismo07]

We need to restrict farming to save people from starving!

He said that without cutting agricultural emissions, the world may not reach its goal of limiting global warming to 1.5 degrees Celsius - which scientists say must be achieved to avoid the worst impacts of climate change.

President Joe Biden has pledged the U.S. will reach net zero emissions by 2050.

Rising global temperatures have severe implications for malnutrition and food security worldwide, Kerry said.

https://www.reuters....e-idINL1N3771SC

 

I doesn't look like they are saying restrict farming, it sounds like they are saying more investment needs to happen.  Not sure if you read the entire article or looked into it more but the intent what you are spreading.

 

AIM for Climate is a global initiative, co-led by the U.S. and the United Arab Emirates, to drive investment in farming practices that cut the sector’s emissions.

[dasmo]

That's what they told the Dutch....

What you spread is worse than what I spread by far. 

[dasmo]

But since you still enjoy my spread on your breakfast toast how about a farmer lays it out for you from a Canadian perspective?

https://youtu.be/LMG4kuEN_kM

[dasmo]

Since I mentioned the Dutch....

 

Dutch government proposals for tackling nitrogen emissions indicate a radical cut in livestock - they estimate 11,200 farms will have to close and another 17,600 farmers will have to significantly reduce their livestock.

Other proposals include a reduction in intensive farming and the conversion to sustainable "green farms".

As such, the relocation or buyout of farmers is almost inevitable, but forced buyouts are a scenario many hope to avoid.

The cabinet has allocated €25bn (£20bn) to slicing nitrogen emissions within the farming industry by 2030, and the targets for specific areas and provinces have been laid out in a colour-coded map.

 

https://www.bbc.com/...europe-62335287

[Nparker]

I will have to significantly increase my consumption of meat and other farmed products to compensate for these measures.

[dasmo]

I will have to significantly increase my consumption of meat and other farmed products to compensate for these measures.

Civil disobedience is the way. If Gandhi were alive today this is what he would do. He would start eating meat. 

[dasmo]

Hyper Localisation is another way to fight back.

 

https://berrymanfarms.ca/

[Ismo07]

Since I mentioned the Dutch....

 

Dutch government proposals for tackling nitrogen emissions indicate a radical cut in livestock - they estimate 11,200 farms will have to close and another 17,600 farmers will have to significantly reduce their livestock.

Other proposals include a reduction in intensive farming and the conversion to sustainable "green farms".

As such, the relocation or buyout of farmers is almost inevitable, but forced buyouts are a scenario many hope to avoid.

The cabinet has allocated €25bn (£20bn) to slicing nitrogen emissions within the farming industry by 2030, and the targets for specific areas and provinces have been laid out in a colour-coded map.

 

https://www.bbc.com/...europe-62335287

 

Well that seems like a different reaction for the measure?  The article that you posted talked about spoke about investing in better options.  The Dutch reaction is quite different.  Is there an update from Jull 2022 that you have?  Have those near 12,000 farms actually closed?  Again you have two way different things going on here for each article.

 

 

This is the latest I could find, down to 3,000?

 

Dutch farmers could be paid to close their livestock farms under new scheme | Euronews

 

This is where the discussion is now, some sort of transition...

 

What do farmers think about the buyout scheme?

Agricultural organisation LTO said buyouts must be “designed in such a way that they really offer farmers who stop voluntarily the opportunity to properly end their business.”

The organisation also called for “transition schemes” that would allow farmers to reduce nitrogen emissions using methods such as technical innovation or switching to other agricultural activities.

 

 

But since you still enjoy my spread on your breakfast toast how about a farmer lays it out for you from a Canadian perspective?

https://youtu.be/LMG4kuEN_kM

 

He doesn't really explain much.  I can see he is entertaining though..  

Edited by Ismo07, 29 May 2023 - 11:58 AM.

[dasmo]

The latest is this:

" In March 2023, the Farmer-citizen movement (BBB), a political party representing the interests of farmers, surprised the Dutch political landscape by becoming the largest party in the upper house of parliament after provincial elections. This electoral success indicates a broader dissatisfaction among farmers with government policies and a desire for representation and influence in decision-making processes "

[dasmo]

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He doesn't really explain much. I can see he is entertaining though..

Entertainment is a good thing. But yes, you aren’t one for nuance.

[Ismo07]

The latest is this:

" In March 2023, the Farmer-citizen movement (BBB), a political party representing the interests of farmers, surprised the Dutch political landscape by becoming the largest party in the upper house of parliament after provincial elections. This electoral success indicates a broader dissatisfaction among farmers with government policies and a desire for representation and influence in decision-making processes "

 

This isn't a bad article for it...  So many parties in that upper house.  They have 15 of the 75 seats.  Hope they can come up with solutions.

 

Populist Farmer Citizen Movement wins big in Dutch election | AP News

 

 

Entertainment is a good thing. But yes, you aren’t one for nuance.

 

Does nuance mean being completely one sided now?

Edited by Ismo07, 29 May 2023 - 01:44 PM.