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#61 sdwright.vic

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Posted 24 November 2015 - 05:29 PM

The top floor of the Bay Centre would be great.


However the top floor of the Bay Centre is finally full.
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#62 todd

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Posted 24 November 2015 - 06:39 PM

I've never been to Vegas but from what I've seen, you can have an "urban" casino without acres of parking beside it. The more important criticism, and I've heard this brought up before, is casinos are generally big windowless boxes and that is not good urban form. An urban casino should be hidden from the sidewalk.

 

There is a very large number of parking garages outlining the Vegas strip, Valet parking is a big part of Vegas.



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Posted 24 November 2015 - 06:41 PM

There is a very large number of parking garages outlining the Vegas strip, Valet parking is a big part of Vegas.

 

Ya, every casino has a huge back lot.  


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Posted 24 November 2015 - 06:43 PM

No casino in dt Vancouver, Calgary, or Edmonton had free...
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#65 todd

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Posted 24 November 2015 - 06:44 PM

However the top floor of the Bay Centre is finally full.

 

Does The Bay really need their top couple floors?



#66 LJ

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Posted 24 November 2015 - 06:58 PM

todd, on 24 Nov 2015 - 7:39 PM, said:

There is a very large number of parking garages outlining the Vegas strip, Valet parking is a big part of Vegas.

But some of the parking is so far away from the actual casino that you wind up taking buses to the strip. Bellagio has a huge parking garage but you don't really notice it because it is surrounded by other stuff. But it can take an half hour to get to your car and get out of the lot. The actual major casinos are so big they would never fit in Victoria downtown anywhere. I went to one in Macau that was about a mile square, just immense.

For downtown Victoria you would be looking at something like the Best Western hotel casino on the strip. Packed tight and about as depressing a place as you could ever find, but it had a Denny's and an Outback restaurant overlooking the strip.


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Posted 24 November 2015 - 07:13 PM

True. You don't get an appreciation of the scale of Vegas casinos until you stand there taking it all in.

 

Consider this.


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Posted 24 November 2015 - 07:17 PM

We are not trying to be Vegas, we just want a casino downtown that will take some disposable tourist dollars.


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Posted 24 November 2015 - 08:09 PM

Yeah, I don't know that we want disposable tourists. Casinos are tacky, let the tacky tourist destinations have casinos, and let's be great at other things, like food, beer, boutique shopping, and beautiful scenery.
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#70 VicHockeyFan

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Posted 24 November 2015 - 08:11 PM

Yeah, I don't know that we want disposable tourists. Casinos are tacky, let the tacky tourist destinations have casinos, and let's be great at other things, like food, beer, boutique shopping, and beautiful scenery.


Why can't we be good at all that stuff, plus be great at our casino?
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Posted 24 November 2015 - 09:14 PM

We are not trying to be Vegas, we just want a casino downtown that will take some disposable tourist dollars.

 

What happens in the Eaton Center stays in the Bay Center


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Posted 24 November 2015 - 10:04 PM

True. You don't get an appreciation of the scale of Vegas casinos until you stand there taking it all in.

 

Consider this.

 

The buildings would be bigger if the airport wasn't so close, the Paris Paris Eiffel Tower was meant to be full scale but had to be scaled back.



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Posted 25 November 2015 - 10:27 AM

 

Casinos generally require lots of free parking, Madoff said. “And that’s sort of contrary to good urban-planning principles as well.

 

Sort of? This narrative about parking requirements is really rubbing me the wrong way.

 

Nobody thinks it's funny that we've been prosletyzing for years about how cars are going to be increasingly irrelevant to downtown's health? We've made/heard endless claims that a few 1960s parkades in tandem with pedestrians and bikes and buses should be more than enough to sustain dozens of large office buildings, hotels, a conference centre, an arena, a large museum, a large department store, hundreds and hundreds of small businesses and restaurants and bars, an increasing number of new residential buildings, etc.

 

But then along comes this vision for a casino (a Victoria-sized one, presumably, as versus a Vegas-sized one) and immediately there's this implication being floated that this one hypothetical operation would be a special case that would almost certainly require extensive on-site parking and/or free parking and/or a large surface parking lot? The car is king again?

 

The Bay Centre itself has one measly level of underground parking. If you want to drive your car to the Bay Centre you're supposed to park a block away in the View Street Parkade or two blocks away in the Broughton Street parkade (like a chump, I suppose our hypothetical casino customer would say). It's been that way from day one, long before the great enlightenment. But a casino? A casino that would be introduced for one reason and one reason only, to feed the city's coffers? Well, that's different. Such an operation could never prosper unless we abruptly reverse course on all of our supposed ideals.

 

Hey, how about traffic? You know, that #1 demonic menace that rears up to destroy the city whenever somebody proposes to build a frickin' lowrise apartment block or a small grocery store? I guess that faux-concern would also evaporate when we're talking about "good" traffic that feeds the casino that's connected to the city's arm?



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Posted 25 November 2015 - 11:03 AM

Anybody know what kind of numbers a casino draws on a mid-day weekday vs. say a Friday night or a Saturday afternoon? I admit I go so rarely I have no idea. But I gotta guess its highest traffic time is NOT when downtown parking is full of 9-5ers.

I was chatting with one of the owners of the Strathcona Hotel yesterday. He's all in favour of a casino downtown somewhere.

What's the reason that the Hudson District is a casino no-go area, in the city's plans?
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Posted 25 November 2015 - 11:17 AM

What's the reason that the Hudson District is a casino no-go area, in the city's plans?

I am curious about that myself.



#76 LJ

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Posted 25 November 2015 - 07:18 PM

The parking lot at the View Royal casino seems pretty full anytime I drive by, no matter the time of day.


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Posted 25 November 2015 - 08:33 PM

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Posted 26 November 2015 - 12:48 PM

I'm assuming they want to put one in the heart of downtown somewhere but I still think it would be better on the fringes. Caledonia at the nearest but preferably further out, maybe at Hillside or even in Vic West.



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Posted 26 November 2015 - 12:52 PM

I'm assuming they want to put one in the heart of downtown somewhere but I still think it would be better on the fringes. Caledonia at the nearest but preferably further out, maybe at Hillside or even in Vic West.

 

I want to see it within walking distance of the Clipper and the hotels.  Those are the best people to take money from.  Crystal Garden seems awful well placed.


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#80 Nparker

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Posted 26 November 2015 - 01:09 PM

..Crystal Garden seems awful well placed.

This...with a new "flat iron" hotel at the other end of the block.



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