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[Daveyboy]

The powers that be have made it socially unacceptable to refer to drug addiction in negative terms! 

 

Organized crime must be laughing at the sheer stupidity of the naive enablers!!!

[VicHockeyFan]

Yup that’s about it.

[Nparker]

The powers that be have made it socially unacceptable to refer to drug addiction in negative terms! ...

I understand the intent to de-stigmatize addiction (although another harmful product, tobacco, is treated the opposite way), but this is not being followed-up nearly enough with a message of recovery and sobriety.

[Dexter]

The supervised injection site at Johnson Street Community is now open, apparently: http://www.cbc.ca/ne...treet-1.4448690

My question is who is liable if someone consumes drugs in this facility and then harms someone in the community. Seems like a major problem if they are facilitating drug use then turning those people loose on the streets. If a user of the facility with known mental health/criminal history went out and attacked someone, would the operators of the facility not be an accessory to that attack? Perhaps someone should be challenging these injections sites on the basis of condoning public endangerment.

[Nparker]

...If a user of the facility with known mental health/criminal history went out and attacked someone, would the operators of the facility not be an accessory to that attack?...

Like a bar that knowingly serves a person to the point of intoxication who then gets into their car and injures or kills someone.

[Rob Randall]

Like a bar that knowingly serves a person to the point of intoxication who then gets into their car and injures or kills someone.

 

Yep. Now I consider myself pretty progressive but when they talked on the radio the other day about opioid vending machines I realized we were passing the city limits of Crazy Town.

[A Girl is No one]

Like a bar that knowingly serves a person to the point of intoxication who then gets into their car and injures or kills someone.

Difference is that bars are privately owned by evil business owners while the safe injection sites and “supportive housing” operations (like the one that housed the guy who killed that young Quebec man) are government funded. I have personally asked this question to them and they take zero responsibility for what happens OUTSIDE the facilities. So essentially they only care about the safety of the people INSIDE, even though it’s the people outside that pay for those facilities. I say everyone’s safety should be a concern... but the powers that be do not agree....

[VicHockeyFan]

People have died inside 844. At least 2.

[A Girl is No one]

That, they care about... not those dying outside, due to people in those facilities...

[VicHockeyFan]

So today’s TC has a decent article about drug deaths.

That looks at real data, 74 actual coroner reports from the Island.

And contrary to the professionals that say most of the deaths are everyday people like you and I... it turns out most are troubled individuals with drug histories. Most living in unconventional living situations.

It’s not doctors, lawyers and School teachers that are dying. It’s mostly pretty hardcore users.

[A Girl is No one]

I always wondered why, if most of the OD deaths happened to « every day people » in conventional housing, all the drug consumption support was provided to people around/in homeless shelters. I guess the decision makers always knew... they just didn’t think we should be told the truth.

[VicHockeyFan]

I always wondered why, if most of the OD deaths happened to « every day people » in conventional housing, all the drug consumption support was provided to people around/in homeless shelters. I guess the decision makers always knew... they just didn’t think we should be told the truth.

 

If you consider it strictly a health issue, why are they not placed at hospitals?  Oh ya, then the "general public" would see it.

[A Girl is No one]

So today’s TC has a decent article about drug deaths.

That looks at real data, 74 actual coroner reports from the Island.

And contrary to the professionals that say most of the deaths are everyday people like you and I... it turns out most are troubled individuals with drug histories. Most living in unconventional living situations.

It’s not doctors, lawyers and School teachers that are dying. It’s mostly pretty hardcore users.

The Vancouver Province article about the 74 OD cases seems to claim the opposite.....

For example:
« Fifty-five of the 74 deaths we reviewed involved victims being found and tended to by family or close friends — wives, husbands, parents, siblings, partners and roommates. »


http://theprovince.c...d8-6d7df2abd3db

[VicHockeyFan]

Unconventional living situations is adults living with parents, adults living with roommates, adults living with siblings, adults living in grpiup homes, adults living in shelters etc. The story is full of them.

Doctors, lawyers, School teachers and otherwise gainfully employed people usually live more conventionally.

Edited by VicHockeyFan, 31 December 2017 - 09:56 AM.

[VicHockeyFan]

According to the coroner’s reports, the majority of those who died from overdoses died at home — which is consistent with the monthly statistics released from the coroners service.

The reports have information you won’t find in those statistical reports, however — such as the victims’ drug history.

For example, at least a third of the 74 people whose coroner’s reports we reviewed were in a treatment program, had recently completed one or were trying to get into one. About 20 had some form of opioid-replacement therapy drug in their system when they died, including methadone, suboxone or hydromorphone.

 

[spanky123]

So today’s TC has a decent article about drug deaths.

That looks at real data, 74 actual coroner reports from the Island.

And contrary to the professionals that say most of the deaths are everyday people like you and I... it turns out most are troubled individuals with drug histories. Most living in unconventional living situations.

It’s not doctors, lawyers and School teachers that are dying. It’s mostly pretty hardcore users.

 

I think that we all knew that, the poverty industry wanted to try and raise more money by implying that this was the type of event that could happen to anyone.

[VicHockeyFan]

This last person said it VERY well.

 

[A Girl is No one]

This last person said it VERY well.

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Forgot the free coffee and doughnuts at the injection sites, the free housing and food for drug addicts in supportive housing and the endless empathy that demands that no one should ever make you feel bad for injecting that stuff in your veins over and over again, a special justice system that discounts your crime because you are a drug addict....I’m sure I left some out too....

[Nparker]

Cassidy, on 07 Jan 2018 - 09:57 AM, said:

...The next time you're anywhere near 844 {Johnson Street], take a look up into the many East facing windows ... and tell me that the destruction and general weirdness you see in those windows looks like it's "helping" anybody...

This isn't too surprising when the powers that be have decided the best way to deal with mental illness is to warehouse individuals and then let them self-medicate. It's the worst parts of the asylums of old with zero health benefits for the people most affected.

[Mike K.]

"Oh know, my child might see a homeless person, oh no, my child might see someone with a mental illness. I think that's good. I think that's ok." - Mayor Lisa Helps, 2015, referring to concerns of parents when she said a tent city at Topaz Park was a "done deal."

 

I think this is an important quote to keep in mind.