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#41 spanky123

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Posted 03 February 2021 - 06:36 AM

If there were liquor law violations and the employee had been warned, trained and given an opportunity to correct their behaviour yet it continued, then perhaps dismissal with cause would be warranted provided everything had been properly documented. What people seem to expect however is that someone is accused of bad behaviour and then they are immediately fired. That may work at a large chain where a middle 5 figure cheque is a cost of doing business but small businesses don't have that luxury.


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#42 Victoria Watcher

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Posted 03 February 2021 - 06:42 AM

but our labour laws are such that anybody can be fired for any reason at any time.

and compensation for a minimum wage worker won’t be extravagemt no matter how strong a case of wrongful dismissal.

as a bartender he has mandatory government certified training on alcohol issues. he can’t claim ignorance there.

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Posted 03 February 2021 - 06:51 AM

They had just cause if they only looked. Serving alcohol and not ringing it in is theft. That’s all the cause the need. Regardless, without cause, 2 weeks severance is all it takes to dismiss most hospitality employees. Owners knew what was going on and did nothing. They deserve the trashing their business is getting in my mind.

Not to take Chuck's side on this as I don't know the story, but many people don't realize that a business can't just fire someone without cause unless they are prepared to write a big cheque or they can negotiate a departure with the employee. As much as people think otherwise in today's cancel culture, an unproven allegation (or two) isn't likely going to amount to 'cause' and there are armies of labour lawyers and a sympathetic BC Labour standards branch quite happy to make that point.


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#44 Mike K.

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Posted 03 February 2021 - 07:35 AM

Yesterday I saw a delivery man standing at the door on the phone with boxes of supplies. I guess nobody was there to let him in?
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#45 spanky123

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Posted 03 February 2021 - 07:39 AM

but our labour laws are such that anybody can be fired for any reason at any time.

and compensation for a minimum wage worker won’t be extravagemt no matter how strong a case of wrongful dismissal.

as a bartender he has mandatory government certified training on alcohol issues. he can’t claim ignorance there.

 

Sure you can, as long as you provide notice. Notice isn't always straight forward. It may be a low skilled worker but if they are older, have a disability, claim they are unable to work, or the termination was egregious then a judge may determine notice to be 12-18 months or longer.


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#46 spanky123

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Posted 03 February 2021 - 07:40 AM

They had just cause if they only looked. Serving alcohol and not ringing it in is theft. That’s all the cause the need. Regardless, without cause, 2 weeks severance is all it takes to dismiss most hospitality employees. Owners knew what was going on and did nothing. They deserve the trashing their business is getting in my mind.
 

 

Until he argues that he forgot to ring it in. Now if it happened many times and each time he was coached and the incident documented then that is a different issue.



#47 Victoria Watcher

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Posted 03 February 2021 - 07:41 AM

Sure you can, as long as you provide notice. Notice isn't always straight forward. It may be a low skilled worker but if they are older, have a disability, claim they are unable to work, or the termination was egregious then a judge may determine notice to be 12-18 months or longer.

 

all very true.  but also not typical of severance in the hospitality industry i bet.  he has "transferable skills" to be employed at the next place with a similar wage right away.  harder to find work if they google his name now, of course.  it might appear he is already using some surname aliases to get away from some past in ontario if you believe the accounts and comments on that victim instagram page.


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#48 spanky123

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Posted 03 February 2021 - 07:46 AM

all very true.  but also not typical of severance in the hospitality industry i bet.  he has "transferable skills" to be employed at the next place with a similar wage right away.  harder to find work if they google his name now, of course.  it might appear he is already using some surname aliases to get away from some past in ontario if you believe the accounts and comments on that victim instagram page.

 

95% of the time you are right. Most people don't contest reasonable notice. Every once in a while though, especially with people who have a track record, an employer gets caught with a statement of claim or an investigation by BC Labour. Anyone who has run a business knows that the later operates on the principle that the business is guilty until they can prove beyond any doubt whatsoever that they are not.



#49 Victoria Watcher

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Posted 03 February 2021 - 07:49 AM

also the guy is 42.  i thought generally at around 25 you stop wanting to have sex with anybody/everybody.  strange mind.


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Posted 03 February 2021 - 08:07 AM

Not to take Chuck's side on this as I don't know the story, but many people don't realize that a business can't just fire someone without cause unless they are prepared to write a big cheque or they can negotiate a departure with the employee. As much as people think otherwise in today's cancel culture, an unproven allegation (or two) isn't likely going to amount to 'cause' and there are armies of labour lawyers and a sympathetic BC Labour standards branch quite happy to make that point.


Based on previous allegations the restaurant stiffed Sidney location staff on their final paycheque I don’t know they are as concerned about following labour standards.

#51 Matt R.

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Posted 03 February 2021 - 09:49 AM

all very true.  but also not typical of severance in the hospitality industry i bet.  he has "transferable skills" to be employed at the next place with a similar wage right away.  harder to find work if they google his name now, of course.  it might appear he is already using some surname aliases to get away from some past in ontario if you believe the accounts and comments on that victim instagram page.


Oh, he’s toast in Victoria. Already fired from his job at JR Slims, it appears.

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#52 pontcanna

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Posted 03 February 2021 - 01:06 PM

Protesters rally outside Victoria restaurant as more sex assault allegations surface

Feb. 3, 2021

VICTORIA -- Community members held a rally outside of Chuck’s Burger Bar in Victoria on Tuesday night after allegations of sexual assault against a former employee surfaced online.

 

More: https://vancouverisl...H1v5FBZ4b3aPmU4

 



#53 Mike K.

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Posted 03 February 2021 - 03:07 PM

It’s a double whammy as the guy lives right above the restaurant, so if they’re targeting him, they’re also inadvertently targeting the restaurant. This could also be impacting Ferris’ and the second floor spot.
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Posted 03 February 2021 - 03:12 PM

All the more business for Ferris. They could put a sign in the window, Happy Hour 3 - 6 pm We Won't Assault You.

 

We actually went to Ferris' Friday. I wouldn't have gone into Chuck's--too many people, too close together, obviously of mixed households.


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#55 Mike K.

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Posted 03 February 2021 - 03:30 PM

Playing poker, or?

Asking for VicPD’s new finance department.
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#56 Klapecki

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Posted 03 February 2021 - 06:43 PM

I love Ferris’. Dave has a good sense of humour!

It’s a double whammy as the guy lives right above the restaurant, so if they’re targeting him, they’re also inadvertently targeting the restaurant. This could also be impacting Ferris’ and the second floor spot.


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#57 Victoria Watcher

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Posted 03 February 2021 - 06:52 PM

6 of the 14 alleged victim summaries have been removed from the instagram account that tracked them:

 

https://www.instagra...storiesproject/

 

not sure what that might mean.


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Posted 03 February 2021 - 07:08 PM

Special Victims Unit Detectives Investigating Reports of Sexualized Violence At Victoria Bar & Grill

 

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Posted 03 February 2021 - 07:11 PM

Detectives with VicPD’s Special Victims Unit (SVU) are investigating after receiving numerous reports of sexualized violence associated to a downtown Victoria bar and grill. On Sunday, January 31st, VicPD officers and staff were first alerted to a series of posts on a social network which contained reports of sexualized violence involving an employee of a downtown Victoria bar and grill.
 
VicPD reached out to the operators of the social network page and shared information inviting those with information to come forward. On Monday, February 1st, VicPD issued a Community Update, which was posted to our social media channels, and shared with media and community partners, inviting anyone who wishes to make a report or who has information about the reports to come forward. Those with information were invited to report through whichever form felt safe to them, whether through our non-emergency line Report Desk, or through the Victoria Sexual Assault Centre or other means.
 
Numerous people have come forward with information. “We have had many people come forward with information,“ SVU Detective Sgt. Jan Malinosky said. “Our Investigative Services Division team is working through this information and are connecting with these people to gather more details.
 
This process takes time and we’re asking for patience moving forward. We are here to listen and are hoping to connect with more survivors.” This investigation is active and ongoing. Updates will be shared as we are able. We want survivors of sexualized violence to know that we believe you. Know that you can report an incident when, where, and how you feel most safe. There are several supports in place to assist.
 
The Victoria Sexual Assault Centre is here to help. They can be reached 24 hours a day, at 250-383-3232. You can also report through an emergency room, a physician, a counsellor, and many other social support agencies. More information about supports can be found here: http://vicpd.ca/webelieveyou/ If you have information about these reports and have already not done so, please call our non-emergency Report Desk at (250) 995-7654, extension 1
 
 
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#60 Mike K.

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Posted 03 February 2021 - 07:11 PM

UPDATE | VicPD Special Victims Unit Detectives Investigating Reports of Sexualized Violence Associated To Downtown Victoria Bar and Grill

Victoria, BC – Detectives with VicPD’s Special Victims Unit (SVU) are investigating after receiving numerous reports of sexualized violence associated to a downtown Victoria bar and grill.

On Sunday, January 31st, VicPD officers and staff were first alerted to a series of posts on a social network which contained reports of sexualized violence involving an employee of a downtown Victoria bar and grill. VicPD reached out to the operators of the social network page and shared information inviting those with information to come forward.

On Monday, February 1st, VicPD issued a Community Update, which was posted to our social media channels, and shared with media and community partners, inviting anyone who wishes to make a report or who has information about the reports to come forward. Those with information were invited to report through whichever form felt safe to them, whether through our non-emergency line Report Desk, or through the Victoria Sexual Assault Centre or other means. Numerous people have come forward with information.

“The response from the public has been amazing”, SVU Detective Sgt. Jan Malinosky said. “We have had many people come forward with information. Our Investigative Services Division team is working through this information and are connecting with these people to gather more details. This process takes time and we’re asking for patience moving forward. We are here to listen and are hoping to connect with more survivors”.

This investigation is active and ongoing. Updates will be shared as we are able.



We want survivors of sexualized violence to know that we believe you. Know that you can report an incident when, where, and how you feel most safe. There are several supports in place to assist. The Victoria Sexual Assault Centre is here to help. They can be reached 24 hours a day, at (250) 383-3232. You can also report through an emergency room, a physician, a counsellor, and many other social support agencies. More information about supports can be found here: http://vicpd.ca/webelieveyou/

If you have information about these reports and have already not done so, please call our non-emergency Report Desk at (250) 995-7654, extension 1.

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