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[rmpeers]

Typical Lisa Helps response to someone complaining about crime.

https://twitter.com/...847166571593728

She displays an amazing inability to learn, evolve, or develop empathy for her constituents.

[Midnightly]

and yet.. if it was her bike she'd call it a personal threat against her... wait she did that when someone randomly put locks on her bike tire spokes

[tanker]

I can't believe after all these years the completely disproved concept of rehabilitation persists. It's not possible to rehabilitate a criminal.

[Victoria Watcher]

I can't believe after all these years the completely disproved concept of rehabilitation persists. It's not possible to rehabilitate a criminal.

 

that's not always true i don't think. it is true that most habitual violent and drug and property theft criminals just age out of the crime life.  but you also have white collar criminals drunk driving criminals and crime of passion criminals that often never re-offend.

 

have conrad black and martha stewart been rehabilitated?

 

what about one of the boys that killed reena virk?  you might say one rehabilitated and two not yet in that case.

 

how about actors tim allen or paris hilton?

 

king of pot marc emery?

 

sentencing and jail is also not just about rehabilitation though. it's also deterrent. public safety.  punishment.  

Edited by Victoria Watcher, 04 January 2020 - 07:00 PM.

[Mike K.]

Jail doesn’t seem to enter into the equation as much as it should, though. Repeat offenders repeat offences because jail time is not an issue.

[Victoria Watcher]

Jail doesn’t seem to enter into the equation as much as it should, though. Repeat offenders repeat offences because jail time is not an issue.

 

what what do you recommend instead?  some type of torture?  jail is as bad as it's going to get.  you might argue sentence lengths could be extended.  we recently eliminated solitary confinement.

Edited by Victoria Watcher, 04 January 2020 - 08:54 PM.

[Mike K.]

The issue seems to be no jail time, or extremely long wait times for sentencing. And when sentencing does happen it’s hardly long enough to encourage a change in behaviour.

[On the Level]

I can't believe after all these years the completely disproved concept of rehabilitation persists. It's not possible to rehabilitate a criminal.

 

"completely disproves".  What do you suggest otherwise?

 

The worst is to have someone "do their time" then get out.

 

Do you understand the difference between parole and probation?  Any guess why criminals reject both?

[Sparky]

Simmer please.

[Victoria Watcher]

whoa what is going on here.  some of those cars would not normally be pointing that way.  the one off-screen to the right would be up on a lawn no?

 

https://www.vicnews....-quadra-street/

 

 

Victoria Police have closed off two blocks along Quadra Street for a police incident.

Quadra is closed from Balmoral Road to Caledonia Avenue.

A silver Ford van appears to be boxed in by police vehicles in the 1800-block of Quadra Street.

Edited by Victoria Watcher, 07 January 2020 - 11:35 AM.

[Nparker]

I don't care what this is all about as long as it doesn't prevent me from getting home for lunch.

[Rob Randall]

People are dying to get into that building.

[Nparker]

More iron fencing going up along properties on Amelia Street. This makes all but one property that has recently had to expand its security.

[Nparker]

whoa what is going on here.  some of those cars would not normally be pointing that way.  the one off-screen to the right would be up on a lawn no?

I don't care what this is all about as long as it doesn't prevent me from getting home for lunch.

 

A section of Quadra Street near downtown Victoria has been shut down Tuesday morning after a vehicle collided with a parked car, causing significant damage...The owners of the parked car say that they had parked in the area and returned approximately 30 minutes later to find that a vehicle had smashed into theirs. The moving vehicle, which had crossed the centre line to crash into the parked car, could be seen with its windshield smashed and front airbags deployed. As of 11:30 a.m., police were still on scene investigating the crash. While vehicle traffic has been shut down in the area, police say that it is safe for pedestrians to pass.

https://www.iheartra...-car-1.10403604

Looks like I am in the clear re getting home for lunch

[Mike K.]

Watcher, you must be new to central Baghdad.

[Mike K.]

And just like that, the road has been reopened.

The damage to the cop car will buff out, I’m sure.

[Mike K.]

VicPD:

Investigators closed Quadra Street between Fisgard Street and Caledonia Avenue following an arrest of occupants in a vehicle which fled from police.

Patrol officers attempted to stop a vehicle just after 10:30 a.m. this morning near the intersection at Cook Street and Pandora Avenue. The driver of the vehicle refused to stop and fled, resulting in a VicPD officer receiving non-life-threatening injuries.

The suspect vehicle collided with a parked vehicle at Quadra and North Park Streets a short time later. The occupants of the vehicle were taken into custody with one occupant being transported to hospital by Emergency Health Services.

The area is now open to traffic. This file is still under investigation and more information will be released as we are able.

[Mike K.]

When the vehicle refused to stop for police a cop was injured. Did the officer walk out to approach the occupants and was struck when the vehicle moved? Did a police car crash as a result of the suspects fleeing?

[Nparker]

...The occupants of the vehicle were taken into custody...

Conveniently only 1 block from the police station.

[rmpeers]

The real problem is we need more supports. People don't injure police officers for no reason. Not a bad person,just a desperate one.

Anyway, we'll have far fewer police injuries once Mayor Isitt replaces the VicPD with an unarmed volunteer force of TV volunteers offering hugs and naxalone.