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#15621 Victoria Watcher

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Posted 02 July 2021 - 11:42 AM

are they sure they got the date right?

this is the same police department that once dispatched officers widely into the field to chase a suspect they already had in custody.

they need to synchronise their watches.

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#15622 pontcanna

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Posted 02 July 2021 - 01:08 PM

Fire set to Malahat totem

Police believe action was retaliation for toppled Captain Cook statue

July 2, 2021

A totem burned atop the Malahat Drive in the early morning hours of July 2, is believed to be retaliation for the statue of Captain James Cook that anti-colonial activists allegedly toppled into Victoria’s Inner Harbour on July 1.

“ONE TOTEM – ONE STATUE” was spray-painted on a concrete barrier in front of the totem.
 
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Duncan’s Odessa Strom was driving home about 2:30 a.m. July 2 when she saw the totem pole up in flames.

The pole holds a special place in Strom’s heart as it was carved by her late grand uncle Stan Modeste.

“This was very sad,” she said.
 
 


#15623 A Girl is No one

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Posted 02 July 2021 - 01:20 PM

Could also be a hoax. There have been a lot of those in the US and Canada, where victim wannabes or paid activists create their own victim hood/cause.

I’m not saying it is, but the possibility has to be considered.
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#15624 Victoria Watcher

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Posted 02 July 2021 - 01:22 PM

true.

Also follow the money.

no “cause” emerges without the machinizations of money-raising behind it. And it’s never been easier to raise money from crowdfunding the public - or exhorting it from government.

Edited by Victoria Watcher, 02 July 2021 - 01:24 PM.

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#15625 Victoria Watcher

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Posted 02 July 2021 - 01:36 PM

well the statue belongs to the harbour authority. let’s see what they do.

my issue is that most jurisdictions are giving in to the mob. they are “reconsidering” statues torn down by mobs. ie. mob wins.

CEO Ian Robertson is on vacation but issued a statement saying the GVHA stands in solidarity with the Esquimalt Nation and Songhees Nation — both members of the harbour authority — and that it has worked to support the “economic and cultural aspirations” of the First Nations across its properties.

The statue was already due to be discussed at an upcoming meeting of the GVHA’s First Nations economic development committee.

“The future of this space will be decided between our organization and the Esquimalt Nation and Songhees Nation, and we will communicate plans for it when the discussion is concluded,” Robertson said.

https://www.timescol...bour-1.24337872




told you.

mob wins.

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Edited by Victoria Watcher, 02 July 2021 - 01:37 PM.

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#15626 Rob Randall

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Posted 02 July 2021 - 02:48 PM

mob wins.

 

There are those that trumpet the supremacy of European culture and its codified system of rights, elected parliaments, fair laws and equality. 

 

But you have to remember those benefits didn't just suddenly appear out of thin air. They came as a result of fights led by lawless mobs.

 

Point to ponder.


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#15627 Victoria Watcher

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Posted 02 July 2021 - 02:53 PM

There are those that trumpet the supremacy of European culture and its codified system of rights, elected parliaments, fair laws and equality.

But you have to remember those benefits didn't just suddenly appear out of thin air. They came as a result of fights led by lawless mobs.

Point to ponder.

it’s one thing tearing down the Berlin Wall or the statue of Iraq leaders. In those societies at the time there was no democratic or otherwise legislative ways to overcome that opression. Here we have a process. No expedient mob required.

Edited by Victoria Watcher, 02 July 2021 - 02:55 PM.


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Posted 02 July 2021 - 03:24 PM

There are those that trumpet the supremacy of European culture and its codified system of rights, elected parliaments, fair laws and equality. 

 

But you have to remember those benefits didn't just suddenly appear out of thin air. They came as a result of fights led by lawless mobs.

 

Point to ponder.

 

Europe has been a despicable mess, too. Its arts and culture and scientific pursuit and system of laws created great things, but with those great things came devastating terrible things, perhaps the worst ever created by the human race.


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Posted 02 July 2021 - 06:15 PM

RCMP investigating ‘suspicious’ fire at Tofino church

July 2, 2021
 
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Tofino RCMP is investigating an early morning fire that sparked at a local church and officers are calling it “suspicious.”

The fire sparked at the St. Columba Anglican Church in Tofino, located on Second Street.

The Tofino Fire Department was first to the scene and had the fire under control by the time RCMP arrived.

More: https://www.cheknews...-church-832938/

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#15630 FawltyVic

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Posted 02 July 2021 - 06:49 PM

 

RCMP investigating ‘suspicious’ fire at Tofino church

July 2, 2021
 
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Tofino RCMP is investigating an early morning fire that sparked at a local church and officers are calling it “suspicious.”

The fire sparked at the St. Columba Anglican Church in Tofino, located on Second Street.

The Tofino Fire Department was first to the scene and had the fire under control by the time RCMP arrived.

More: https://www.cheknews...-church-832938/

 

RCMP just need to look for the idiots that don't know the difference between an Anglican church and a Catholic church.

 

When you look at who is participating in these churches being burned and statues being pulled down or at least showing support for these actions, things are making a little more sense.


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Posted 02 July 2021 - 07:10 PM

Anglicans are really just Catholic-Lite ( all the sin but only half the guilt!)  :)

 

 

Between 1820 and 1969, the Anglican Church ran three dozen "Indian" and "Eskimo" residential schools and hostels, many of which were built by the federal government. As the church itself concedes, the goal of the schools was the assimilation of educated Indigenous peoples into the non-aboriginal world — "the 'savage' child would surely be re-made into the 'civilized' adult."


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Posted 02 July 2021 - 07:22 PM

Even the mormons were into the idea of removing native kids from their homes to make them whiter.

The wikipedia link says it was only in the states, but it operated in canada too. https://en.m.wikiped...acement_Program


Here’s a ubc thesis about some bc natives’ experiences with that program. Pretty fascinating tbh.
https://open.library...831/1.0055552/1

#15633 Rob Randall

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Posted 02 July 2021 - 07:28 PM

I think it's already been established here that just about every major Christian denomination in Canada ran residential schools, so all are guilty, some more than others. 

 

Why no Jewish schools? You never heard about kids getting beaten and killed at the Jewish schools.


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Posted 02 July 2021 - 07:48 PM

Anglicans are really just Catholic-Lite ( all the sin but only half the guilt!)  :)

I say that line whenever I explain my religion (minus the half the sin).

 

But as an additional I explain how I'm the Diet Pepsi when compared to Catholicism. :lol:


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Posted 03 July 2021 - 11:08 AM

 

Fire set to Malahat totem

Police believe action was retaliation for toppled Captain Cook statue

July 2, 2021

A totem burned atop the Malahat Drive in the early morning hours of July 2, is believed to be retaliation for the statue of Captain James Cook that anti-colonial activists allegedly toppled into Victoria’s Inner Harbour on July 1.

“ONE TOTEM – ONE STATUE” was spray-painted on a concrete barrier in front of the totem.
 

 

 

It's not like this was unexpected.  Instead of acknowledging the wrongs of the past and moving forward together (reconciliation) we have retribution and the backlash it creates.

 

As far as the Cook statue goes, wasn't it bad enough he was canabilzed by Natives, now he gets blamed for residential schools.


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#15636 Victoria Watcher

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Posted 03 July 2021 - 11:11 AM

it’s actually quite unclear what he is being blamed for.

he was an explorer. not a settler or colonial pioneer.

he was likely just a target since it was an easy statute to pull down. the idiots would have settled for almost anything. even Emily Carr. she was a settler that exploited the natives.

Edited by Victoria Watcher, 03 July 2021 - 11:17 AM.


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Posted 03 July 2021 - 11:16 AM

it’s actually quite unclear what he is being blamed for.

he was an explorer. not a settler or colonial pioneer.

 

He is responsible for the discovery, and therefore what happened afterwards.   It is unclear what the UVIC Woke crowd expects to achieve with it's goal of self hatred. 



#15638 Victoria Watcher

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Posted 03 July 2021 - 11:18 AM

maybe a renaming of UVic is in order?

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Posted 03 July 2021 - 11:32 AM

maybe a renaming of UVic is in order?

 

Yes, I expect anything "Victoria" will be a target.

 

I stood in front of the Empress and it's a confusing time.  There were a couple of Indigenous protesters standing staring awkwardly at a guy playing the bagpipes while double decker buses (which we have just purchased more of) drove by.  Even the Empress itself....can it co-exist?  Are flower baskets inherently racist?  How far do we go and what is the goal for reconciliation?  



#15640 Victoria Watcher

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Posted 03 July 2021 - 11:37 AM

there is intentionally no goal for reconciliation. it’s evergreen.

Edited by Victoria Watcher, 03 July 2021 - 11:37 AM.


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