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#16361 Victoria Watcher

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Posted 19 September 2021 - 09:55 PM

Apparently it was iced tea. And all 5 arrested were young natives. This prompted a FTP protest in front of the police station demanding the release of indigenous youth…


No media covered this?

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Posted 19 September 2021 - 10:30 PM

indeed they blocked Caledonia Street for some time.

 

 

 

 

video and details here:

 

https://www.instagra.../p/CT-onO_oKxy/

 

https://www.instagra.../p/CT-37yNJMvc/

 

https://www.instagra.../p/CT-6mlCpdR8/

 

https://twitter.com/...349949175529480

 

 

 

 

 

Tim Ford's twitter thread about the pro-police media bias:

 

https://twitter.com/...09754749632513 


Edited by Victoria Watcher, 19 September 2021 - 10:30 PM.

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#16363 Victoria Watcher

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Posted 19 September 2021 - 10:41 PM

CHEK mentions it but does not elaborate:

 

 

 

They want to make it clear that they weren’t at all affiliated with the group behind the incident or the protest that took place outside of the police department afterwards.

 

 

 

https://www.cheknews...l-event-886704/



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Posted 19 September 2021 - 11:09 PM

Iced tea?

 

Prayers for Manak, I hope he has a full recovery from this violence befallen him.


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#16365 Mike K.

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Posted 20 September 2021 - 01:51 AM

indeed they blocked Caledonia Street for some time.




video and details here:

https://www.instagra.../p/CT-onO_oKxy/

https://www.instagra.../p/CT-37yNJMvc/

https://www.instagra.../p/CT-6mlCpdR8/

https://twitter.com/...349949175529480





Tim Ford's twitter thread about the pro-police media bias:

https://twitter.com/...09754749632513

They can start by not rushing to re-print VicPD crime reports with no further details than what’s in those reports (that’s if they don’t rush to inject conjecture and hunches between an incident report on social media and then make edits to reflect the facts once police confirm the details).
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#16366 Victoria Watcher

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Posted 20 September 2021 - 04:14 AM

maybe we need police body cameras so we or the board knows more about what goes on.

 

why has they never been talk of that here?


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#16367 Mike K.

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Posted 20 September 2021 - 04:49 AM

There has been, but good luck having Victoria council fund a $5 million (random amount) camera project for every officer and squad car when they don’t even want to install security cameras at high crime spots on their own property.

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Posted 20 September 2021 - 05:25 AM

There has been, but good luck having Victoria council fund a $5 million (random amount) camera project for every officer and squad car when they don’t even want to install security cameras at high crime spots on their own property.

 

maybe the province could fund it.  as it might save money at the other end on court costs.



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Posted 20 September 2021 - 05:40 AM

But we maintain we don’t have a crime problem, so why would the province fund such a thing for a community that says it doesn’t need it?

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Posted 20 September 2021 - 05:42 AM

There has been, but good luck having Victoria council fund a $5 million (random amount) camera project for every officer and squad car when they don’t even want to install security cameras at high crime spots on their own property.


If cameras were installed, that would deter and prevent crime, correct?

If true, then I can't see law enforcement wanting to jeopardize their livelihoods by reducing demand for their services.

An impartial 3rd party with no self-serving interest would need to get involved to get it done.

Yes between dash cams, doorbell cams, cell phones etc, there technically are cameras everywhere. But to the street criminals they need large, loud, in-your-face camera systems as a constant reminder they are being monitored.

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Posted 20 September 2021 - 05:52 AM

If cameras were installed, that would deter and prevent crime, correct?


That hasn’t been shown to be the case in jurisdictions where body cameras are deployed. But what it has done is it has changed the way rhetoric flows from crime scenes when the public can see for themselves what transpired.

With cameras we would no longer have to take the word of police.

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#16372 A Girl is No one

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Posted 20 September 2021 - 06:08 AM

indeed they blocked Caledonia Street for some time.




video and details here:

https://www.instagra.../p/CT-onO_oKxy/

https://www.instagra.../p/CT-37yNJMvc/

https://www.instagra.../p/CT-6mlCpdR8/

https://twitter.com/...349949175529480





Tim Ford's twitter thread about the pro-police media bias:

https://twitter.com/...09754749632513

And yet….
« Social media is harming people’s ability to get factual information about their communities, the country and the world, Premier John Horgan said Sept. 17.« 

https://www.vancouve...-horgan-4344456

#16373 A Girl is No one

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Posted 20 September 2021 - 06:17 AM

That hasn’t been shown to be the case in jurisdictions where body cameras are deployed. But what it has done is it has changed the way rhetoric flows from crime scenes when the public can see for themselves what transpired.

With cameras we would no longer have to take the word of police.

Body cams and dash cams would also help police (when they are in the right) respond to mass hysteria during this ACAB era. But maybe our politicians don’t want to contradict the belief that ACAB? Or they really believe the rhetoric?

#16374 Mike K.

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Posted 20 September 2021 - 06:19 AM

That’s because on Twitter, journalists are becoming advocates.

The problem is, these journalists feel the need to almost universally add the cliche “these opinions are mine” tag to their description, but they will never carry thar over to the pieces they publish. They never openly speak to their biases off Twitter, even though the biases are there.

I feel that news content from people who describe themselves as journalists should be mandatorily co-written by journalists with developed opposite biases. Otherwise all content from journalists who publish their personal opinions on social media and slant their stories accordingly should be considered op-ed advocacy rather than “news.”

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#16375 A Girl is No one

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Posted 20 September 2021 - 06:47 AM

That’s because on Twitter, journalists are becoming advocates.

The problem is, these journalists feel the need to almost universally add the cliche “these opinions are mine” tag to their description, but they will never carry thar over to the pieces they publish. They never openly speak to their biases off Twitter, even though the biases are there.

I feel that news content from people who describe themselves as journalists should be mandatorily co-written by journalists with developed opposite biases. Otherwise all content from journalists who publish their personal opinions on social media and slant their stories accordingly should be considered op-ed advocacy rather than “news.”

I agree, but that would apply to most journalists. On social media as well as those in large media corporations.

Have you checked out the mainstream media over the past few years… it’s just as activist minded as anywhere else. But under the pretense of « truth ». And as part of their activism, they also control what we get to see/hear or not.
At least with social media, a lot of the manipulative narrative that the socialist activists called « journalists » because of WHO they work for sees a bit of daylight and often ends up making the surface (albeit much later).

Many of the great journalists have left their large organizations for that reason and now are free to do amazing journalism - on social media.

Others have been pushed out by the incoming cohort of journalists, -product of our universities - who see their role as activists and influencers rather than simply reporters.

Really interesting book on the NY Times history of misinformation up to now:
https://www.issuewir...698735320744524

#16376 Mike K.

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Posted 20 September 2021 - 06:53 AM

Sounds like we need to redefine what people who contribute written content to independent (not accredited) news agencies are called, then, because journalist in the traditional sense isn’t it.

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#16377 Mike K.

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Posted 20 September 2021 - 07:00 AM

Rob Germain of CHEK didn’t mince words in response to Tim Ford’s accusations:

“How dare you attack the integrity of reporters of @CHEK_News, @CTVNewsVI and @timescolonist who face threats regularly just for doing their job. You are sowing further distrust and putting them in more danger by suggesting they are shilling for the police, which is garbage.”

https://twitter.com/...1839042560?s=21

The accredited media is more tolerant than ever of self-made journos, so to see this reaction from Germain clearly a nerve has been struck.

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#16378 Mike K.

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Posted 20 September 2021 - 07:04 AM

Theroux, in response to Ford’s post:

“Victoria, we have a copaganda problem. A surreal level of propaganda coming from VicPD.

There's no denying people - around the world - are behaving w increased distress & disruption. But VicPD's spin seems to know no bounds. When state power spin doctors, we have a big problem.”

- https://twitter.com/...7886486531?s=21

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#16379 Victoria Watcher

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Posted 20 September 2021 - 07:05 AM

have any media noted those arrested were native or those blocking Caledonia were? it’s relevant to the story here. since it all stemmed from a protest about police treatment of natives.

#16380 Mike K.

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Posted 20 September 2021 - 07:09 AM

The media shouldn’t make assumptions of people’s ethnicity.

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