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#1 lanforod

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Posted 24 November 2017 - 12:08 PM

So this seems to have flown under the radar so far. 

 

https://engage.gov.bc.ca/howwevote/



#2 Bingo

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Posted 24 November 2017 - 01:04 PM

So this seems to have flown under the radar so far. 

 

https://engage.gov.bc.ca/howwevote/

 

Under the radar is intentional as no government wants it once they are in power, but since this gang are a bit lame ducked, might as well appear to want it, eh!



#3 nagel

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Posted 24 November 2017 - 01:11 PM

No. 60% of the vote this year was for left wing parties. This could be the death of the liberals in power.

#4 nagel

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Posted 24 November 2017 - 01:12 PM

Not to mention the wide differences in electoral areas could be killed off, something which also greatly benefited the libs.

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Posted 24 November 2017 - 01:21 PM

Not to mention the wide differences in electoral areas could be killed off, something which also greatly benefited the libs.


can you elaborate on this a bit more?
I don’t understand why anyone outside of Metro Vancouver would support proportional representation. If you think they have too much influence over the rest of us now...
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#6 lanforod

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Posted 24 November 2017 - 01:41 PM

Yep, that's one of the biggest issues with moving to PR. Everyone outside of the lower mainland will basically have their vote be worthless. 


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#7 rjag

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Posted 24 November 2017 - 01:43 PM

No. 60% of the vote this year was for left wing parties. This could be the death of the liberals in power.

Remind us all again the outcome of the 2001 election....this Province we vote folks out not in....the only way a government can survive is if they convince the populace that they are doing a good job.  And really most folks vote with their wallet not their ideology.

How much of the Green vote was to protest the Liberals? You think its solid?


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#8 PraiseKek

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Posted 24 November 2017 - 01:44 PM

No. 60% of the vote this year was for left wing parties. This could be the death of the liberals in power.

Not really a secret that this is the goal.


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#9 nagel

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Posted 24 November 2017 - 02:12 PM

The green vote will only get more solid with a move to PR.

 

I don't support tiny constituencies.  I think they should all be roughly the same size, and I believe they're not supposed to deviate more than 15% but there are some that are 3 times the size of the smallest.



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Posted 24 November 2017 - 02:19 PM

No. 60% of the vote this year was for left wing parties. This could be the death of the liberals in power.

 

Are you forgetting that we'll end up with 5-10 political parties?



#11 nagel

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Posted 24 November 2017 - 02:38 PM

Are you forgetting that we'll end up with 5-10 political parties?

I doubt that if we had a 10% cutoff.  Actually after Christy Clark I would be fine with a good run of minority governments.  I had never voted NDP before but she just killed my love for team red.  I'm sure orange will let me down of course.



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Posted 24 November 2017 - 02:59 PM

The reason I ask, is that my recollection is that most countries that have PR have several parties represented. That makes it hard to predict who the power brokers will be, IMO. 



#13 nagel

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Posted 24 November 2017 - 03:14 PM

The reason I ask, is that my recollection is that most countries that have PR have several parties represented. That makes it hard to predict who the power brokers will be, IMO. 

It's true, usually there are several parties, but in terms of what is there now, I would be very afraid if I was a card carrying liberal voter, because it looks like PR would enshrine a Green-NDP coalition except for 2001-style epic fails.



#14 PraiseKek

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Posted 24 November 2017 - 03:35 PM

It's true, usually there are several parties, but in terms of what is there now, I would be very afraid if I was a card carrying liberal voter, because it looks like PR would enshrine a Green-NDP coalition except for 2001-style epic fails.

First you have to trick people into voting for it. It's failed twice already so I'd say chances don't look good.



#15 rjag

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Posted 24 November 2017 - 04:43 PM

First you have to trick people into voting for it. It's failed twice already so I'd say chances don't look good.

 

Yup, I have a feeling they are going to change the thresholds to make it even easier to pass. I am hearing 50% +1 of those who bother to vote in the mail in ballot. This is really sneaky as it really should include more 50%+1 of the ridings as well. I'm sure there will be court challenges over this


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#16 Mike K.

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Posted 25 November 2017 - 07:20 AM

Oh it’ll be challenged, alright. Everyone suspects the lowering of the threshold is to ensure it passes for the benefit solely of non-liberal supporters.

But will the Greens enjoy a similar outcome come the next election? I don’t think they will. They were a protest vote by Liberal supporters and that support is unlikely to be there next time.

Now before we forget, even with all of the nonsense surrounding them the Liberals still won the popular vote.
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#17 jonny

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Posted 25 November 2017 - 11:10 AM

The NDP get in power by the skin of their teeth (losing the election and taking advantage of a naive politician and terrible negotiator in Andrew Weaver) and now the Libs will never win another election. Mmmmkay. Riiiiiight.

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Posted 25 November 2017 - 01:47 PM

Yup, I have a feeling they are going to change the thresholds to make it even easier to pass. I am hearing 50% +1 of those who bother to vote in the mail in ballot. This is really sneaky as it really should include more 50%+1 of the ridings as well. I'm sure there will be court challenges over this

 

Simple. Give voters 4 choices on how a system should operate and the one that gets 50% + 1 will be the option we choose.



#19 PraiseKek

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Posted 25 November 2017 - 06:57 PM

The goal is democracy with one party to vote for. Doesn't matter how it's achieved, they'll stop at nothing.



#20 rmpeers

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Posted 25 November 2017 - 07:16 PM

The NDP get in power by the skin of their teeth (losing the election and taking advantage of a naive politician and terrible negotiator in Andrew Weaver) and now the Libs will never win another election. Mmmmkay. Riiiiiight.


You may be right, but I think it will be tough for the Libs to climb back out of the hole they dug for themselves until they can position themselves as a party that actually stands for something, rather than a pack of opportunists with no ideals who will literally do or say anything (eg. clone speech) to achieve or cling to power. I think if they could project something even slightly resembling integrity they could have a shot but I think that could take a while.

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