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#621 Mike K.

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Posted 20 December 2018 - 02:49 PM

As expected, for sure.

The results give credence to the theory that the 2017 election was a protest vote against the Liberals. The referendum was a protest vote against Horgan and his alliance with the Greens. So what’s in store for the next election?
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Posted 20 December 2018 - 02:55 PM

not as close as polls suggested. kids these days* too lazy to return a postage-paid envelope.

*the most likely segment to support pr.


That surprises you? Same group stating bogus polls this time as the one found guilty by elections BC previously.

#623 Victoria Watcher

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Posted 20 December 2018 - 02:59 PM

vic beacon hill and vic swan lake some of the very highest votes for pr in the province.  65 and 66%.



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Posted 20 December 2018 - 03:01 PM

As expected, for sure.

The results give credence to the theory that the 2017 election was a protest vote against the Liberals. The referendum was a protest vote against Horgan and his alliance with the Greens. So what’s in store for the next election?

 

Agreed. The tide has turned. 18 months of Horgan and Weaver and the public is ready to toss them both.



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Posted 20 December 2018 - 03:02 PM

Agreed. The tide has turned. 18 months of Horgan and Weaver and the public is ready to toss them both.

 

I think Horgan is quite popular


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#626 RFS

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Posted 20 December 2018 - 03:03 PM

The areas that went for PR were generally very close, whereas the areas that went for FPTP were more like landslides, like 79% for FPTP in Abbotsford West.



#627 Victoria Watcher

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Posted 20 December 2018 - 03:05 PM

mount pleasant was highest for pr at over 70%.



#628 Mike K.

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Posted 20 December 2018 - 05:31 PM

MLA Jas Johal via Twitter:

 

We budgeted $15 million for this referendum so the NDP could please their Green junior coalition partner. The NDP/Greens broke every promise they made: no citizens assembly, no yes/no question, no maps, no regional balance. British Columbians saw through the sham! #bcpoli


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#629 Bernard

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Posted 20 December 2018 - 06:03 PM

That surprises you? Same group stating bogus polls this time as the one found guilty by elections BC previously.

Who was found guilty of something by Elections BC previously?



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Posted 20 December 2018 - 06:42 PM

My prediction is a snap election, once the Greens pull support on even the smallest disagreement.  Hell, I wouldn't be shocked if they vote against the Throne Speech for the upcoming session.  Weaver is so far up his own ass that he actually thinks that he will increase his numbers.

 

Strategically, the NDP played well, pushing through everything unpalatable to their partner that they could before the referendum, knowing that the Greens would not only bend over but also supply the lube.  And Horgan didn't even have to take them to dinner!

 

Unfortunately for the province, Horgan will likely get a bigger mandate, due primarily to beating the nationalist against the bogeywoman in Edmonton.  Wilkinson is generally unknown and those that do, don't really see a lot.  What throws a wrench into increased numbers is the likely loss of Eby's seat (due to vacant homes tax) and the Liberals easily retaking Plecas' riding.  2019 will be a helluva year for BC politics!


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Posted 20 December 2018 - 06:46 PM

Well, this was good for both the BC LIberals and the NDP. The anti-NDP big tent stays together while Horgan can stoke vote-splitting fears to stay in his throne. A Vibrant British Columbia Party won't be possible for a while!


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Posted 20 December 2018 - 08:16 PM

Who was found guilty of something by Elections BC previously?

 

Was Canada Elections, not Elections BC

 

https://www.cbc.ca/n...lling-1.3695519



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Posted 21 December 2018 - 06:20 AM

As expected, for sure.

The results give credence to the theory that the 2017 election was a protest vote against the Liberals. The referendum was a protest vote against Horgan and his alliance with the Greens. So what’s in store for the next election?

NDP & Greens will be voted out.  Full stop.  



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Posted 21 December 2018 - 10:32 AM

NDP & Greens will be voted out.  Full stop.


I don't know about that. My impression is that Horgan is fairly popular on a personal level. Wilkinson has all the charisma of a piece of wet liver. I think two of the Green seats are pretty solid - Weaver and Furstenau.

The NDP ends up being kind of neutral on the energy issue - pro LNG, Site C, but against TRP, so that may be a wash. The speculation tax is unpopular but may sound reasonable to the average uninformed voter.

Right now I certainly wouldn't place any bets on the outcome of the next election.

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Posted 21 December 2018 - 01:50 PM

I don't know about that. My impression is that Horgan is fairly popular on a personal level. Wilkinson has all the charisma of a piece of wet liver. I think two of the Green seats are pretty solid - Weaver and Furstenau.

The NDP ends up being kind of neutral on the energy issue - pro LNG, Site C, but against TRP, so that may be a wash. The speculation tax is unpopular but may sound reasonable to the average uninformed voter.

Right now I certainly wouldn't place any bets on the outcome of the next election.

Furstenau, her own constituency returned a very high vote for 1st past the post despite her hard efforts to get the vote out for the alternative.

My ears on the ground tell me she's toast next election.  Greens will dig in their heels, clam-up until the milestone is reached for her and others to collect their pension, then they will pull for a snap election.  Weaver let that ridiculous ballot go forward, he's done and he will take all Greens with him.  The NDP have broken so many election promises and wasted everyone's time (and money) on this thing - they are done not only because of this but pile on the health taxes, and all the other added taxes dumped onto homeowners, businesses etc. that are economy and job killers.  Mark my words, next election NDP are gone and Greens who? 



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Posted 21 December 2018 - 01:53 PM

Lots of bitterness on social media from prop-rep folks today.  Who wants to bet some NDP government tries again within a decade or so


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Posted 21 December 2018 - 02:16 PM

Lots of bitterness on social media from prop-rep folks today.  Who wants to bet some NDP government tries again within a decade or so

For that to happen they'd have to be elected.  As much if not more bitterness from the other side, not so much social media but elsewhere.  What goes around comes around, it came around and the bad taste this gov. has left with a good portion of BC population, it'll be a very long time before either Greens or NDP see the day they can make another referendum happen.  They totally blew this and governing. Totally.  Such a shame, they had such an opportunity after the Libs screwed up so bad.  All Libs have to do now is put a face out there that people can stomach and they are back in and they will crush any initiative this Gov. moved forward.  



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Posted 21 December 2018 - 02:48 PM

Lots of bitterness on social media from prop-rep folks today.  Who wants to bet some NDP government tries again within a decade or so

 

The vote was destined to fail from the start with how the options were presented. Horgan must have known that and was just playing games to support his agreement with the Greens. If the question had been asked properly as only a choice between PR and FPF then the outcome may have been different. 



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Posted 21 December 2018 - 06:30 PM

The vote was destined to fail from the start with how the options were presented. Horgan must have known that and was just playing games to support his agreement with the Greens. If the question had been asked properly as only a choice between PR and FPF then the outcome may have been different. 

 

The thing about PR is that it will never change unless it becomes a grassroots initiative and there is a clear direction on which system the pro PR people think we should go to. Until then, it's a sideshow driven by special interests, the Green party and weird academics. 



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Posted 21 December 2018 - 06:53 PM

COMMENTARY: Why the NDP should be worried about the electoral reform referendum results 

"In fact, just four ridings outside of the City of Vancouver and the Capital Region voted for PR.

That’s right: four (out of the 69 ridings that exist outside those areas)."

 

"Further to that, when the 16 ridings overall that supported PR are factored out, the gap in the vote in the rest of the province widens to about 70 per cent to 30 per cent."

 

"Another measuring stick: PR got the support of a little more than 16 per cent of all eligible voters."

 

"As well, the NDP government has to be more than a bit troubled by the depth of this defeat. Just 13 of its MLAs (out of 40) were able to deliver their ridings to the pro-PR side.

Even more unsettling for the NDP, perhaps, is the fact that it lost particularly badly in the very ridings considered most responsible for delivering them it into power: support for PR in Delta North, Maple Ridge-Mission, Maple Ridge-Pitt Meadows and Surrey Panorama was below a paltry 32 per cent."

"However, there is a lesson for the party here: be careful how close you get to the Green Party and some of its positions (there is a reason why the party only got a measly 17 per cent of the popular vote in the last election: its platform is not that popular with the vast majority of voters).

Meanwhile, the Greens have been left gasping for air. They are decidedly on the wrong side of an issue that has little support, and its political future remains hazy at best."

https://globalnews.ca/news/4787362/commentary-why-the-ndp-should-be-worried-about-the-electoral-reform-referendum-results/?utm_medium=Twitter&utm_source=%40globalbc



 



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