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#41 Laszlow

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Posted 02 November 2018 - 12:30 PM

As mentioned I am an unapologetic Apple Cultist. Here's one reason why. My career was mostly mergers and acquisitions. I was looking after a recently purchased company and fixing it to be sold to AC Neilsen (Which we did.) This is way back. I had a huge Apple II system in my office but at this company I brought in a Macintosh. One of the old ones an SE.

I walk in the door and the VP, the IT manager and the Sales Manager are huddled round a computer. I see this and wander over. They had been there longer than I thgought reasonable for a "Hey look at this!" and asked what is going on? They had some names and were trying to print lablels.

 

"Oh, ok."

I went to my office and 10 - 15 min later I went for my morning coffee and they were still huddled.

 

As I passed I grabbed the list of names and photocopied the 40 or so name list.

 

After coffee I went to my office and typed in the names - I used a Desk Accessory not even opened a software tool and printed out the names as labels.

 

I walked over to the huddled six-figure'd PC genius masses and handed them the labels.

 

I did not have to say a word about wasting time.

 

I, as a golfer, believe in results. Only results. You can boast about your handicap, your clubs how nifty your outfit is or your new 600 dollar driver. On the course ... it is about numbers. What did you score?

In work (PCs and Macs for play I could care less!) It is about results.

 

I have had Macs hooked to mainframes, did peer to peer in 1988 - did emalim marketing way befoire the web. In all agencies and professional consulting firms we had Macs and Apple servers. Run all Adobe CC and it is way more elegant than on PCs - the only time I have been thwarted was when CADCAM was taken off the MAC platform. Sad really.

 

Reluctantly used Microsoft products and never ... ever had IT folks.

 

Also rarely have I needed an assistant. The Macs I have had have organized mybiz life and handled my affairs equitably.

If I did have assistants it was mainly due to needing language translations on the fly.

Sure if you want to buy components and build boxes or play computer games ... excellent.

I wanted to make money.

 


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#42 N E Body

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Posted 02 November 2018 - 01:40 PM

As mentioned I am an unapologetic Apple Cultist.

 

 

Include me on that list. In the 90s I got tired of friends and business pals tell me that Macs were toys... then I'd listen to them asking each other how they got various hardware and software to sync with their IBM clone. I'd just roll my eyes and go back to work... always updating my own ram, upgrading my hard drive, plugging and playing all my externals etc. That has kept me loyal to Apple for 30 years.


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#43 G-Man

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Posted 02 November 2018 - 04:53 PM

When last investigated ... Apple doesn't force anybody to buy anything at all!
Purchasing decisions are made by individuals, based on their own personal wants and needs.

That enough individuals have purchased enough Apple products to turn Apple into the most valuable company in the world is simply a fact ... and it remains a hard fact regardless of how internet pundits attempt to spin it in a direction that simply isn't relevant to what is ... after all - a hard fact.


This is such a bizarre argument. Just because something is the most valuable does not make it the best. It is certainly the best at achieving profit but that has no bearing on the product they sell unless you also believe that Facebook is the best social network, Toyota is the best kind of car, Budweiser is the best beer, Snickers are the best kind of chocolate and Kroger's is the best grocery store. It simply had no bearing on how good something is quality wise. It does mean that it is popular though which is why I find it funny that Apple fans get so upset that people don't like it. It is what a large portion of North Americans like. It is the opposite of where Apple used to be though and that is why it went eventually fall from its current spot because it now needs to be consistent not cutting edge.
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#44 Laszlow

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Posted 02 November 2018 - 05:17 PM

This is such a bizarre argument. Just because something is the most valuable does not make it the best. It is certainly the best at achieving profit but that has no bearing on the product they sell unless you also believe that Facebook is the best social network, Toyota is the best kind of car, Budweiser is the best beer, Snickers are the best kind of chocolate and Kroger's is the best grocery store. It simply had no bearing on how good something is quality wise. It does mean that it is popular though which is why I find it funny that Apple fans get so upset that people don't like it. It is what a large portion of North Americans like. It is the opposite of where Apple used to be though and that is why it went eventually fall from its current spot because it now needs to be consistent not cutting edge.

 

 

So true!!! Unless you happen to be knee deep in the stock market. ie shareholder value.

"But I do NOT invest in the stock market!"

No, you don't ... but every damn union does. And they want 15% quarter to quarter growth. The teacher's union. The public employees union. The police union. The firedepartment union etc etc etc 


This is the way the world works. Would I like to see a world where the stock market does NOT control stuff? Yep - I lost everything ... TWICE due to public companies I worked for ... and tanked.



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Posted 02 November 2018 - 08:45 PM

This is such a bizarre argument......

Nah, really it's not an argument at all, it's just a fact.

 

In a thread titled "Apple Store Victoria", pointing out to folks who enjoy pissing in somebody else's Corn Flakes that Apple is the most valuable company in the world seems pretty relevant to the topic at hand.

 

The KISS principle states that Apple became the most valuable company in the world by giving customers exactly what they wanted in every regard ... quality, price, usability, and underlying engineering.

Nothing "bizarre" about that.



#46 G-Man

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Posted 02 November 2018 - 09:08 PM

You didn't read my post. Being the most profitable company does not equate with the best at producing quality products that are cutting edge. Apple, there is no question is the best at creating mass market products that appeal to a large amount of people so that they can turn that into profit. I just get annoyed with people thinking that Apple makes the best products, when it actually just makes the most broadly appealing. From a pizza perspective Apple is Dominoes but I would prefer Standard Pizza myself.

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#47 Cassidy

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Posted 03 November 2018 - 06:49 AM

You didn't read my post....

Of course I read it ... there's a difference between not reading somebodies post - and disagreeing with somebodies post.

 

I disagree with your post, and don't consider any part of my participation in this thread would constitute a "bizarre argument" at all.

 

I simply consider your conclusions unfounded in relation to the subject matter of the thread ... in that the word "best" is fundamentally subjective anytime it's used in relation to the sales of any given product.

 

E.G. - I do consider some Apple products in the consumer realm to be of the highest quality, and to demonstrate cutting edge technology (descriptors from your last post) ... therefore I can't agree with some of what you've said in your past few posts.



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Posted 03 November 2018 - 07:15 AM

Apple could take over everyone except a single person and they would still be there saying Apple sucks. The irony is that Apple IS Standard Pizza that so happened to become more popular than Dominos.... Because they make great products. The only reason they appear to be so vanilla is because everyone copies them!
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#49 Mike K.

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Posted 03 November 2018 - 07:30 AM

Once I switched over to a MacBook Pro I finally realized what all the fuss was about.

I’m not a fan of the way Apple restricts you with their own cables and Bluetooth-like file sharing and how certain aspects of IPhones are limited. But oh well.

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#50 N E Body

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Posted 03 November 2018 - 08:01 AM

You didn't read my post. Being the most profitable company does not equate with the best at producing quality products that are cutting edge. Apple, there is no question is the best at creating mass market products that appeal to a large amount of people so that they can turn that into profit. I just get annoyed with people thinking that Apple makes the best products, when it actually just makes the most broadly appealing. From a pizza perspective Apple is Dominoes but I would prefer Standard Pizza myself.

 

Hmmmm... I feel a bit offended by that statement. Basically, your comment says that I'm too stupid to know what is best... for me or otherwise. I've used Macs professionally for over 30 years and the other guys have always been a distant second when it comes to best in quality, in cutting edge technology and, more specifically, for the job I do. The margin may be getting thinner but, imo, Apple has always been out in front for me.


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#51 lanforod

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Posted 03 November 2018 - 08:04 AM

Apple copies Samsung et al just as much as vice versa. Why do we even need to argue about this? Just use what you like and move on.
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#52 N E Body

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Posted 03 November 2018 - 08:06 AM

Apple copies Samsung et al just as much as vice versa. Why do we even need to argue about this? Just use what you like and move on.

 

Well, I could argue that statement too...  :1954_dancing:



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Posted 03 November 2018 - 08:07 AM

Pretty much every hardware feature added to iPhones or macs in the past 5 years an Android or PC had it first

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Posted 03 November 2018 - 08:18 AM

Hmmmm... I feel a bit offended by that statement. Basically, your comment says that I'm too stupid to know what is best... for me or otherwise. I've used Macs professionally for over 30 years and the other guys have always been a distant second when it comes to best in quality, in cutting edge technology and, more specifically, for the job I do. The margin may be getting thinner but, imo, Apple has always been out in front for me.


I thinks it is more what you wanted your tool of the trade to do. If you wanted to do graphic design Apply was the standard. If you needed and office work horse it was Microsoft.

If you were a Apple convert then a Apply phone was the natural choice. If you were board of the mundane of Microsoft then Samsung was the natural choice, as it played the nicest with your desktop, but wasn't as boring as Microsoft (notice that nobody is defending the cutting edge ability of a Microsoft phone).

The definative line between the two products has smudged so much that know it just a matter of habit and brand loyalty.
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Posted 03 November 2018 - 08:22 AM

Pretty much every hardware feature added to iPhones or macs in the past 5 years an Android or PC had it first

So?

 

And by that I mean Apple isn't always first or best on individual features.  But their track record for cohesive operation and software support is very good.  In the smartphone space if you hang on to your hardware for a long time Apple is a better bet.  If you upgrade before the model is orphaned then it's not a big deal.


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#56 N E Body

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Posted 03 November 2018 - 08:41 AM

Pretty much every hardware feature added to iPhones or macs in the past 5 years an Android or PC had it first

 

Oh... but there is such a great difference between including existing technology and outright copying... but... as Steve Jobs once said...

Good artists copygreat artists steal


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#57 G-Man

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Posted 03 November 2018 - 08:46 AM

Hmmmm... I feel a bit offended by that statement. Basically, your comment says that I'm too stupid to know what is best... for me or otherwise. I've used Macs professionally for over 30 years and the other guys have always been a distant second when it comes to best in quality, in cutting edge technology and, more specifically, for the job I do. The margin may be getting thinner but, imo, Apple has always been out in front for me.

Don't be. That is not what I said at all. For you I am sure that the Apple products are the best for what you are wanting to do. That said it is not the niche cult brand anymore. It is mass market. It has to appeal to a large base of people so it waters their products down. If you want the best in a certain area on a product it likely will not be Apple though they will do an adequate job everywhere. The one place they are certainly excelling is in security and so there is that one part where they are still out in front. 


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#58 Mike K.

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Posted 03 November 2018 - 08:57 AM

I remember when I got my iPhone 3GS. That was back when everyone still had flip phones and 16-colour displays, cameras that worked about as good as something your uncle could fidget together in his garage and functionality that allowed you to text and talk, maybe play a game of snake.

The iPhone revolutionized the world.

The iPod revolutionized the mp3 experience.

Apple Music revolutionized the music industry.

The iMac revolutionized mass-consumer PC’s.

And this was all in the last ten years. Since the 80’s Mac Pro’s are the de-facto machines for movie editing. Virtually every Hollywood film since then was edited on Mac’s. Virtually every record was produced on a Mac. Virtually every visual design created digitally was made on a Mac. So from a cultural perspective those machines and most importantly their software made possible so much that several generations associate with global culture and visual arts.

Moving forward it’s hard to say what the company will be known for without its visionary at the helm, but it’s clear that once you take that bite from the forbidden fruit (the Apple logo) it’s tough to look elsewhere.

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#59 N E Body

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Posted 03 November 2018 - 09:54 AM

That said it is not the niche cult brand anymore.


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Posted 03 November 2018 - 10:15 AM

ah, that's too bad, I have lots of Samsung stuff.  Regardless if you are buying an iPhone, you are buying Samsung!

 

https://www.forbes.c...-again-in-2017/

 

 

Apple copies Samsung et al just as much as vice versa. 

 

To complicate this thread further

 

In addition to the iPhone being based on Samsung processors and memory modules, it also uses the Samsung screen.  One could argue that there is no such thing as an iPhone....only Samsung.   :P

 

http://fortune.com/2...8-oled-display/


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