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1010 Fort Street
Uses: rental, commercial
Address: 1010 Fort Street
Municipality: Victoria
Region: Downtown Victoria
Storeys: 12
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[Harris Green] 1010 Fort Street | Rentals, commercial | 12-storeys | Proposed


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#41 Mike K.

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Posted 08 July 2019 - 07:05 PM

Two additional units as well.

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#42 Mike K.

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Posted 09 July 2019 - 11:51 AM

It looks like the height went from 6, to 10, to 9 and now to 12, and from zero parking spots to 7.


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#43 Torrontes

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Posted 15 July 2019 - 12:13 PM

The public meeting is tomorrow at 6:00 PM. Should be interesting.



#44 Nparker

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Posted 15 July 2019 - 12:23 PM

I'll summarize tomorrow's public meeting:

  • the project is too tall
  • the project is too dense
  • the project will create traffic nightmares
  • the project is not 100% affordable* 
    *meaning someone with a part-time minimum wage job can afford a 1000 square foot, 2-bedroom unit and not exceed 30% of their take home pay
  • not enough trees
  • not enough green space

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#45 aastra

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Posted 15 July 2019 - 12:42 PM

How'd you get that insider info?


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#46 Rob Randall

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Posted 15 July 2019 - 02:05 PM

Twelve storeys is an extraordinary ask for a project that is not offering much in return unless you think density is a reward in its right.

 

Other new buildings on this block are around six to eight storeys and that integrates well into the streetscape. 12 storeys just seems so arbitrary. Just a very odd proposal.


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#47 RFS

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Posted 15 July 2019 - 02:06 PM

Twelve storeys is an extraordinary ask for a project that is not offering much in return unless you think density is a reward in its right.

 

Other new buildings on this block are around six to eight storeys and that integrates well into the streetscape. 12 storeys just seems so arbitrary. Just a very odd proposal.

 

This is basically word for word what was said against the Pacific House proposal in Esquimalt.  (Not disagreeing necessarily just pointing it out)


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#48 Nparker

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Posted 15 July 2019 - 02:07 PM

...Other new buildings on this block are around six to eight storeys and that integrates well into the streetscape...

How do the extra 4 floors (about 12 meters) not integrate well into the streetscape, especially with the setback proposed above the 4th floor? Perhaps before the Jukebox was proposed/built a shorter residential building would have made sense here, but things have changed. I think the bigger concern, once again, will be a well-designed street-level, not the height.

All of that being said, it's not the most exciting proposal I have ever seen, but the size of the lot doesn't offer a lot of alternatives.


Edited by Nparker, 15 July 2019 - 02:27 PM.

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#49 DustMagnet

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Posted 15 July 2019 - 02:18 PM

How'd you get that insider info?

Because he's the one who will stand up and say these things.  :D 

Actually, the complaints are so rote we could use a Designated Debbie Downer system whereby one person is selected to go to meetings and dump on projects with the Standard Litany.


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#50 DustMagnet

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Posted 15 July 2019 - 02:21 PM

Twelve storeys is an extraordinary ask for a project that is not offering much in return unless you think density is a reward in its right.

 

Other new buildings on this block are around six to eight storeys and that integrates well into the streetscape. 12 storeys just seems so arbitrary. Just a very odd proposal.

 

Density isn't the only thing, but isn't it an important thing?  Doesn't it maximize the land usage and amortize the per-unit cost (e.g. it's cheaper to build a 12 story building than two 6 story buildings)?  That's not rhetorical, I'm not a developer so I only imagine that might be true.



#51 Kapten Kapsell

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Posted 15 July 2019 - 02:33 PM

Maybe I’m incorrect, but I’m guessing that the modular construction method originally proposed may not be possible, so they are switching gears and proposing a 12-storey tower to make it economically viable...?

#52 Rob Randall

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Posted 15 July 2019 - 02:36 PM

Well there are several ways to look at it. It's financially sound to go 12 storeys. Those penthouse suites will have a killer view and will go a long way in securing bank financing.

 

Another way of looking at it is socially/urban planning: added density adds neighbourhood vitality and subsidized units ensure a range of income levels can live in a great area.

 

The other way of looking at it is pure aesthetics. Is it a good looking building? Quality materials? Is it a great fit for the neighbourhood or does it stick out like a sore thumb?

 

Maybe I’m incorrect, but I’m guessing that the modular construction method originally proposed may not be possible, so they are switching gears and proposing a 12-storey tower to make it economically viable...?

 

 

It would be surprising to hear they need that extra height when they are offering zero parking and zero amenities, apart from subsidized housing that apparently is carried over from another development outside Downtown.


Edited by Rob Randall, 15 July 2019 - 02:36 PM.

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#53 DustMagnet

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Posted 15 July 2019 - 04:06 PM

They say: If the thumb sticks out, extend the rest of your fingers.

If you want the benefits of increased density you have to start somewhere, unless you are really planning on levelling an entire street so that all the new buildings are around the same (higher) height.

 


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#54 Nparker

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Posted 15 July 2019 - 05:40 PM

So when did this rendering emerge? It shows a much more interesting building than we have seen previously.

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#55 Rob Randall

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Posted 15 July 2019 - 07:45 PM

Holy crap! Where did you find that?

 

OK, that brings something new to the table. Apart from the height, that terracing is textbook Harris Green guidelines. Windows on all sides. 


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#56 Mike K.

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Posted 15 July 2019 - 07:49 PM

Dude. Citified, duh!

I’ve got more info coming tomorrow. Hang tight.
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#57 zoomer

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Posted 15 July 2019 - 07:51 PM

OMFG, that looks brilliant! If the material and ground floor is right this could be one of the best new builds we’ve seen in ages. Terraced buildings are so much more interesting inside and out, well suited for our climate, yet no doubt more expensive to build and maintain.
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#58 Rob Randall

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Posted 15 July 2019 - 08:06 PM

Back in the 90s when the Harris Green Charette happened the concept of terraced condos was the bee's knees. The goal was a more "European" urban form with a nine storey height limit but no density limit. But soon dawned Vancouverism and the era of the podium tower. Architects were also skeptical about terraced buildings with all that roof coverage and exposed balconies in our rainy climate.

 

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Edited by Rob Randall, 15 July 2019 - 08:10 PM.

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#59 Nparker

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Posted 15 July 2019 - 08:39 PM

...I’ve got more info coming tomorrow...

Hopefully the additional info will include a rendering with a bit more terracing on the north side at the top. The reverse of the south facade would do nicely.



#60 2F2R

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Posted 16 July 2019 - 07:18 AM

I'll summarize tomorrow's public meeting:

  • the project is too tall
  • the project is too dense
  • the project will create traffic nightmares
  • the project is not 100% affordable* 
    *meaning someone with a part-time minimum wage job can afford a 1000 square foot, 2-bedroom unit and not exceed 30% of their take home pay
  • not enough trees
  • not enough green space

so unfortunately true
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