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#19181 Spy Black

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Posted 08 December 2021 - 12:30 PM

 In fact since getting off of a few I have never been in better health. 

Presuming that you're not an actual doctor, how would you know what portion of your health can be attributed to any metric whatsoever?

You guess, you presume, and you posit, you throw stuff at the wall to see what sticks ... but you have zero documented (and professionally vetted) evidence of anything beyond your own agenda heavy personal opinion.

 

To be fair, I'm not a doctor either, and although I don't profess to have any specialized knowledge related to medicine ... I diverge from the anti-vaxer contingent by simply making wise choices, and following "doctors orders".



#19182 Ismo07

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Posted 08 December 2021 - 01:06 PM

The mainstream media is not waiting. This is headline news already.... But I'm glad you seem reasonable. 

 

 

Oh my yeah headlines from any media are rarely correct...  I don't like posting anything like that...



#19183 SimonH

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Posted 08 December 2021 - 02:07 PM

Clearly we need some new labels. Is 'right wing wacko' taken?


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#19184 dasmo

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Posted 08 December 2021 - 02:46 PM

Posted on Brian Peckford's Blog. The third premier of Newfoundland between March 26, 1979, and March 22, 1989. I think he will be speaking at this event.

 

Special Event: 75 th Anniversary Nuremberg Doctors Trials—Legislative Grounds , Dec. 9 at 3 PM , Victoria BC, Canada

 

https://peckford42.w...anada/#comments



#19185 dasmo

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Posted 08 December 2021 - 05:31 PM

Presuming that you're not an actual doctor, how would you know what portion of your health can be attributed to any metric whatsoever?

You guess, you presume, and you posit, you throw stuff at the wall to see what sticks ... but you have zero documented (and professionally vetted) evidence of anything beyond your own agenda heavy personal opinion.

 

To be fair, I'm not a doctor either, and although I don't profess to have any specialized knowledge related to medicine ... I diverge from the anti-vaxer contingent by simply making wise choices, and following "doctors orders".

I know my health better than a Doctor would. I actually live with my body every day! 

 

I think I have a lot less to gain than Pfizer... I have no conflicts to report. No shorted Stock, not money to be made. No influence to be obtained. Nothing to personal gain at all by posting here. 

 

My agenda is for the betterment of Vibrant Victoria.


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#19186 dasmo

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Posted 08 December 2021 - 05:32 PM

Pfizer CEO says fourth Covid vaccine doses may be needed sooner than expected due to omicron

 

https://www.msn.com/...cron/ar-AARC1Bt



#19187 dasmo

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Posted 08 December 2021 - 05:37 PM

Pfizer's Set to Make $131 Billion in COVID Sales in 2 Years. 

 

https://www.msn.com/...-buy/ar-AARqeav


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#19188 dasmo

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Posted 08 December 2021 - 05:38 PM

I'm sure we should all be worried about my agenda here....  :squint:


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#19189 Spy Black

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Posted 08 December 2021 - 05:49 PM

Drug companies make drugs to sell, they sell them at a profit ... big surprise.

That the drugs those drug companies make are then mandated by doctors to be injected in order to stem the spread of (in this case) a virus that's already killed 5 million people should also come as no surprise.

 

No matter how many ways anti-vaxers try to present their "case", it still comes down to the fact that they're folks with no medical knowledge whatsoever (just like the rest of us) who have made a decision to move in a separate direction than the one doctors are insisting we all move in ... so we can hopefully never reach 6 million dead from COVID-19.

 

That these anti-vaxers continue to perpetuate the inability to reach 100% vaccination status results in (at the least) a few hundred thousand more deaths, which, (IMO) is simply a shame ... nothing more, nothing less - just a shame.



#19190 Victoria Watcher

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Posted 08 December 2021 - 06:34 PM

Pfizer CEO says fourth Covid vaccine doses may be needed sooner than expected due to omicron

 

https://www.msn.com/...cron/ar-AARC1Bt

 

Ya.  Nobody likes this.  But there is evidence more vaccines are working. 



#19191 amor de cosmos

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Posted 08 December 2021 - 07:30 PM

Pfizer's Set to Make $131 Billion in COVID Sales in 2 Years. 
 
https://www.msn.com/...-buy/ar-AARqeav


if that's a problem then they should give up their patent protections so developing countries can produce their own more affordable generic versions, not skip the vaccine altogether

 

edit: another complaint could be that the big pharma lobby is preventing us from getting sputnik v here. we don't have it here for reasons totally unrelated to its safety & effectiveness.


Edited by amor de cosmos, 08 December 2021 - 07:58 PM.


#19192 amor de cosmos

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Posted 09 December 2021 - 08:28 AM

study of the day

When Delphi-Facebook and the U.S. Census Bureau provided near-real time estimates of COVID-19 vaccine uptake last spring, their weekly surveys drew on responses from as many as 250,000 people.
 
The large data sets provided statistically tiny margins of error, a key measure of a poll's accuracy, and raised confidence that the numbers were correct. But when the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention later provided figures of actual reported vaccination rates, the two polls were off—by a lot. By the end of May, the Delphi-Facebook study overestimated vaccine uptake by 17 percentage points—70 percent versus 53 percent, according to the CDC—and the Census Bureau's Household Pulse Survey did the same by 14 percentage points.
 
A comparative analysis by statisticians and political scientists from Harvard, Oxford, and Stanford universities concludes that the surveys fell victim to the "Big Data Paradox," the mathematical tendency of big data sets to minimize one type of error—that due to small sample size—but to magnify another that tends to get lesser attention: errors due to systematic biases that make the surveyed sample a poor representation of the larger population.
 
The "Big Data Paradox" was identified and coined by one of the study's authors, Harvard statistician Xiao-Li Meng, the Whipple V.N. Jones Professor of Statistics, in his 2018 analysis of polling during the 2016 presidential election. Famous for predicting a Hillary Clinton presidency, those election polls were skewed by what is termed "nonresponse bias," which in this case was the tendency of Trump voters to either not respond or define themselves as "undecided."
 
The danger posed by the paradox, Meng said, is that a biased big data survey has the potential to be worse than no survey at all, because with no survey, researchers still understand that they don't know the answer. When underlying bias is poorly understood—as in the 2016 election—it can be masked by the confidence given by the large sample size, leading researchers and subsequent consumers of survey results to mistakenly think they know the answer.

https://phys.org/new...on-surveys.html
https://www.eurekale...releases/937034
https://www.nature.c...586-021-04198-4

Sophia-Antipolis, 9 December 2021: A small study has suggested that COVID-19 patients who continue to be short of breath during physical activity one year after recovering from the infection may have suffered heart damage. The research is presented today at EuroEcho 2021, a scientific congress of the European Society of Cardiology (ESC).
“The findings could help to explain why some patients with long COVID still experience breathlessness one year later and indicate that it might be linked to a decrease in heart performance,” said study author Dr. Maria-Luiza Luchian of University Hospital Brussels, Belgium.
https://www.eurekale...releases/936935

Alcohol deaths up almost 19% during the pandemic – the greatest increase since 2001
https://theconversat...nce-2001-170972
 

PARIS (Sputnik) - France will put its health care system on a so-called "white plan" emergency footing in the coming days to mobilize resources as the country battles the fifth wave of the pandemic, Health Minister Olivier Veran said on Thursday.
 
The capital region of Ile-de-France became the seventh department to announce the move on Wednesday after the COVID-19 incidence rate rose to 446 cases per 100,000 inhabitants.

"The white plan will probably be introduced nationwide in the coming days because it has been adopted in a region after region," Veran told the France 2 television channel.

The measure will mobilize healthcare workers, including by tapping the private sector, and increase the number of emergency care beds available to coronavirus patients. Veran said a person was admitted to ICU every six minutes, down from 10 minutes a week ago.

https://sputniknews....1091388620.html

British Prime Minister Boris Johnson has announced tougher COVID-19 restrictions in England, ordering people to work from home, wear masks in public places and use vaccine passes to slow the spread of the Omicron coronavirus variant.
Undermined by accusations that his staff partied at Downing Street during a Christmas lockdown last year, Johnson said on Wednesday that Omicron was spreading rapidly and he had no choice but to move to “Plan B” while a vaccine booster programme rolls out.
https://www.aljazeer...-b-restrictions

MOSCOW, December 9. /TASS/. Russia will need about two weeks, pending research findings, to decide whether the Sputnik V coronavirus vaccine requires updates for the Omicron variant, Alexander Gintsburg, director of the Gamaleya research center, said on Rossiya 24 television channel on Thursday.
https://tass.com/society/1373043

Beijing administers over 2 mln COVID-19 vaccine doses to children
http://www.ecns.cn/n...un5312163.shtml

China's drug authority has granted emergency approval for the country's first specialised treatment against COVID-19, found in clinical trials to significantly reduce hospitalisations and deaths among high-risk patients.
https://medicalxpres...covid-drug.html
 

The U.S. Senate on Wednesday voted to overturn President Joe Biden's COVID-19 vaccine mandate for businesses.
 
Senators voted 52-48 on the resolution, which needed a simple majority to be approved. Democratic Senators Jon Tester and Joe Manchin voted with Republicans, giving it enough support to be sent to the House.
 
The resolution faces an uphill path in the Democrat-controlled House and Biden is expected to veto the bill if it clears Congress.

http://www.ecns.cn/n...un5312041.shtml
 
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TUCKER CARLSON (HOST): So somebody who knows him told me, and I'd be interested in getting your take on this, that getting COVID emasculated him, it changed him, it feminized him, it weakened him as a man. Do you think that's --
 
NIGEL FARAGE (GUEST): Well I think he was very seriously ill.
 
CARLSON: Oh, for sure he was.
 
FARAGE: One of the things we have learned from COVID is people who are 50, 60, 70, 80 pounds overweight tend to have fared very badly.
 
CARLSON: Sure.
 
FARAGE: Now we don't talk about it much,
 
CARLSON: But the virus itself, this is true, does tend to take away the life force in some people I notice. I mean it does feminize people. No one ever says that but it's true.

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A woman who identified herself as “Bridgette” pulled on a Santa hat and serenaded the San Diego County Board of Supervisors meeting to oppose an extension of the public health emergency order. It was everything you'd want it to be -- at least, if you're making a bloopers reel of failed American Idol contestants. Via Fox5sandiego: https://www.youtube....7&v=netFpPZQHqY
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#19193 Ismo07

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Posted 09 December 2021 - 08:45 AM

I know my health better than a Doctor would. I actually live with my body every day! 

 

I think I have a lot less to gain than Pfizer... I have no conflicts to report. No shorted Stock, not money to be made. No influence to be obtained. Nothing to personal gain at all by posting here. 

 

My agenda is for the betterment of Vibrant Victoria.

 

I appreciate that you might believe that, but intimating that the only reason the vaccine is created is to increase profits for big pharma rather than also say and the vaccines seem to be very effective is not for the betterment of Vibrant Victoria.  You can have both narratives.  What you cannot prove however is that the vaccines are worse than not having it (for the populace).  Evidence are the actual hospital numbers (across the world) and really can't be denied.  Sure individually fight for your right to try to enjoy what society offers when you do not participate in the global vaccine program, I'm certain there will not be a passport forever.

 

I think you know how you feel better than a doctor might, but I'm sure after some tests the doctor may know about your actual health a little more.  Many things health-wise happen in our bodies we wouldn't be aware of for years even....


Edited by Ismo07, 09 December 2021 - 08:46 AM.

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Posted 09 December 2021 - 09:18 AM

If everyone knew they had cancer before the doctor told them they were at stage 4...    You can't honestly say, Dasmo, that you know what's going on inside of you better than the doctor reviewing your imaging and blood work.


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#19195 Barrrister

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Posted 09 December 2021 - 11:22 AM

I suggest that absolutely everyone stops responding to Dasmo. he is trolling you.



#19196 Victoria Watcher

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Posted 09 December 2021 - 11:55 AM

Quebec reported 1,807 new coronavirus cases on Thursday, the largest single-day increase since April 9, as the province straddled the peak of its spring wave of COVID-19.

 

If Quebec's daily case counts continue to grow, daily infections will exceed what was recorded during the springtime coronavirus swell.

 

 

 

https://montreal.ctv...cases-1.5700086

 

 

 

Ontario reports nearly 1,300 new COVID-19 cases, highest daily total in more than 6 months

 

 

https://www.cp24.com...onths-1.5700162


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#19197 Victoria Watcher

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Posted 09 December 2021 - 04:03 PM

 

Quebec reported 1,807 new coronavirus cases on Thursday, the largest single-day increase since April 9, as the province straddled the peak of its spring wave of COVID-19.

 

If Quebec's daily case counts continue to grow, daily infections will exceed what was recorded during the springtime coronavirus swell.

 

 

 

https://montreal.ctv...cases-1.5700086

 

 

 

Ontario reports nearly 1,300 new COVID-19 cases, highest daily total in more than 6 months

 

 

https://www.cp24.com...onths-1.5700162

 

 

 

British Columbia is reporting 341 new cases of COVID-19 along with nine additional deaths on Thursday.

 

https://globalnews.c...ecember-9-2021/

 

 

 

 

Alberta Health announced Thursday that the province has identified 333 new COVID-19 cases over the past 24 hours and that two of those cases involve the Omicron variant.

 

https://globalnews.c...inet-committee/


Edited by Victoria Watcher, 09 December 2021 - 04:04 PM.


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Posted 10 December 2021 - 04:16 AM

If you are not vaccinated in New Brunswick your grocery store can lock you out:

 

 

  • Malls, grocery stores, salons must enforce physical distancing or may instead require proof of vaccination from all patrons.

 

https://www.cbc.ca/n...phard-1.6272151

 

 

This is where they are this morning:

 

https://www.ctvnews....tates-1.5051033

 

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#19199 amor de cosmos

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Posted 10 December 2021 - 09:00 AM

The federal department charged with inspecting farms that hire temporary foreign workers failed to keep tabs on how well employers were protecting their staff during the pandemic, Canada's auditor general reported today.
 
Auditor General Karen Hogan said inspectors working for Employment and Social Development Canada (ESDC) did not properly enforce new pandemic regulations designed to protect workers from COVID-19 — frequently skipping checks on whether employers offered drinking water, cleaning products, separate accommodations for infected workers and dedicated quarantine spaces for workers who were supposed to self-isolate for 14 days upon arrival in Canada.
 
Foreign farm workers — who come to Canada on a seasonal basis to fill labour shortages in the agricultural sector — are uniquely vulnerable to COVID-19 because they often live in tight quarters in shared employer-provided accommodations.

https://www.cbc.ca/n...demic-1.6279572
 

Their findings, published in the International Journal of Health Geographics, show that following lockdown two (November 2020), there was a peak in people travelling and mixing – whether for work, shopping, schooling or socialising.

WorldPop Director, Professor Andy Tatem comments: “These fully anonymised data from Facebook shows us trends of how people were moving around their local area, or indeed further afield, during and between the three UK lockdowns and how users were clustered during these periods.

“Our analysis of the weeks approaching and after last Christmas shows there was a sudden surge in activity immediately after the November lockdown ended and then a dramatic drop in the ten days from around 18th-20th December. With levels of infection currently still high ahead of this Christmas and concern about the new Omicron variant, our study gives useful insights into people’s response to the tightening and relaxation of measures, as well as into mixing patterns during the festive season.”

https://www.eurekale...releases/937556
 

Keen to study the scale of this issue, but unable to travel far from our locked-down homes, we decided to use data gathered through a citizen science app called Litterati. This app asks people around the world to record any litter they find.

 

In our new study, published in the journal Nature Sustainability, we analysed data on mask and glove litter from September 2019 (before the pandemic) up to October 2020. We looked at 11 countries, including the UK, and compared the litter trends with each country’s approach to dealing with COVID-19.
 
While we expected to see a rise in mask litter, we were surprised by how much it rose. Across the 11 countries in our study there was an almost 9,000% increase in masks as a proportion of all litter from September 2019 to October 2020 (over 80 fold).
 
We also found strong links between mask litter and national laws or policies requiring mask wearing.
 
Our findings can perhaps be best understood if we consider three key periods.

https://theconversat...-science-171078
https://www.nature.c...893-021-00824-1
 
Researchers from Aarhus University have shown that the medicine Atovaquone has a protective effect both before and after infection with the coronavirus in human cells in the laboratory. This means that it can in all probability be used both for the prevention and treatment of Covid-19.
https://www.eurekale...releases/937550
 

"There are competing arguments about whether lockdowns should be implemented," Dr. Guojun He explains. "On the one hand, some argue that lockdowns could bring about very significant health damages to normal people. For example, human mobility restrictions reduced access to healthcare services and business restrictions could lead to sharp economic disruption and massive layoffs, both of which may lead to higher overall mortality. On the other hand, virus containment policies could also cause unintended health benefits because they encourage health-protecting behaviors (like wearing face masks and washing hands frequently), diminish risks associated with business activities (like improving air quality and reducing work and traffic accidents), and reduce transmission of other infectious diseases (like seasonal influenza). Thus, whether lockdowns bring about additional health gains or losses is ultimately an empirical question."
 
Using death registry data that covers one quarter of the Chinese population, the research team compared non-COVID mortality before, during, and after the "lockdowns" between two groups of cities: those with strict anti-contagion policies and those without. They found that lockdown measures reduced the number of deaths from other causes by 4.6 percent, preventing 54,000 deaths from other causes during the initial 50 days of strict "lockdown." Surprisingly, the health benefits became even greater after the lockdown policies loosened. Mortality from other causes decreased 12.5 percent in the 115 days after the lockdown, leading to 293,000 lives saved across the country from non-COVID deaths.
 
To understand why, Dr. Guojun He and his co-authors found that less traffic and industrial activities led to less air pollution, in turn leading to large drop in cardiovascular disease deaths. Areas that were initially very polluted saw the greatest improvement, suggesting better air quality can be vital in preventing premature deaths. Social distancing and an increase in sanitizing surfaces, hand washing and mask wearing also contributed to fewer deaths from infectious diseases.
 
"Our research also points to the direction to improve population health after the lockdown measures are lifted," says Dr. He, "if the government can continue its effort to control pollution and the public are willing to keep good personal hygiene, these short-term benefits will become long lasting."

https://medicalxpres...vid-deaths.html
 
The project team led by Professor Mingxin HUANG at the Department of Mechanical Engineering of the Faculty of Engineering of the University of Hong Kong (HKU), in collaboration with Professor Leo Lit Man POON’s research team at the Centre for Immunity and Infection of the LKS Faculty of Medicine of HKU, has made significant breakthroughs in producing the first anti-COVID-19 stainless steel that kills the severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-Cov-2) on its surface. The anti-COVID-19 stainless steel can also inactivate the H1N1 virus and E.coli on its surface.
https://www.eurekale...releases/937539
 

"Biden hasn't achieved his expressed goal of an intellectual property waiver at the WTO [World Trade Organization] and it is looking unlikely he will succeed," Gostin explained. "He also hasn't succeeded in convincing or pressuring Pfizer and Modern to share their technologies with low and middle income countries. Thus everything hinges on donations which are lagging far behind what is needed."
 
This explains why India and South Africa have aligned with each other in calling for intellectual property rights waivers for COVID-19 vaccines and medical supplies. Intellectual property rights mean that a corporation like a pharmaceutical company can claim sole right to manufacture and profit from a copyrighted product, such as a vaccine. Because this allows a handful of wealthy companies to effectively control access to drugs, poorer nations are often left unable to either incentivize companies to prioritize their interests or make vaccines on their own. Waiving those rights would, at least in theory, liberate nations to make their own shots.
 
Critics say that this is the same reason why countries like the United Kingdom and Switzerland oppose a full waiver; because doing so would force pharmaceutical companies and other manufacturers to give out their products without maximum profit. Since suspending property rights requires a unanimous vote from WTO members, this means that the necessary waiver is unlikely to happen.
 
"What we see is scarcity and I think, to some extent, artificial scarcity, like scarcity that is not really a result of scientific or engineering problems but is instead a result of law and policy choices," Christopher Morten, deputy director of the Technology Law and Policy Clinic at NYU School of Law, told Salon in February. Morten said that because pharmaceutical corporations can decide to "make it difficult for companies to share or to gain access to each other's know-how, each other's knowledge," and are supported by our political and legal system while doing so, it is "too easy for companies to hoard all their knowledge or their technology and thwart competitors from manufacturing vaccines on scale."
 
*snip*
 
Even in affluent nations like the United States, vaccines were still not distributed in an equitable manner to all populations, and it was not because the government lacked the productive or distributive capacity to achieve this. As University of Massachusetts Amherst economist emeritus Richard Wolff told Salon last year, the government regularly buys products from the military-industrial complex that it stockpiles for a potential future use. That makes it profitable to invest trillions in military spending.
 
The businesses that benefit from COVID-19, however, do not view it this way. They are concerned that government involvement in health care will put America on a slippery slope toward socialism.
 
"The medical profession, therefore, never wants the government anywhere near what they're doing, because it would threaten their monopoly," Wolff told Salon at the time. "If the government were making regular purchases, being the intermediary — as governments are virtually everywhere else on this planet — it would draw the attention of a mass public to the problem of government money being used to sustain a profession. And then there would be no excuse anymore for the lunatic arrangement we now have. The monopoly would be attacked and it would be undermined."

https://www.salon.co...vaccine-patent/
 

A German man involved in the COVID-19 conspiracy community killed his wife and three daughters after his wife was caught with a fake vaccination card, police say. 
 
German police say they believe a man, who has been referred to as Devid R., committed the quadruple murder-suicide last week. Prosecutor Gernot Bantleon told the German Press Agency on Tuesday that in a suicide note, the man indicated the couple was worried that the government would take their kids away because his wife was found with a fake vaccination certificate he’d provided to her.
 
Police say they believe Devid shot his daughters—aged 4, 8, and 10—and his wife, before turning the gun on himself. The 40-year-old man did not have a gun license, and police are investigating where the weapon came from. The man was reportedly a part of the anti-vaccine COVID-19 conspiracy group Querdenker, one of the central groups opposing COVID-19 regulations in Germany.
 
Like much of the rest of the world, Germany is in the midst of tightening up its regulations in light of the latest COVID variant of concern, Omicron. Residents are required to provide proof of vaccination to access some amenities, and some jobs also require their employees to be vaccinated. This was true of Devid’s wife, who was employed at a technical university. Her university noticed the fake vaccination card and asked her about it. 
 
Local media reports that the punishment for faking a vaccination certificate is a year in prison or a fine and that authorities said Devid would have just been fined for providing her with the fake certificate. 
 
A story by German newspaper Der Tagesspiegel reported that shortly before the deaths, a man with the name Devid joined a Querdenker (which translates to lateral thinkers) conspiracy group on Telegram focused on COVID-19 conspiracies and rallying against pandemic regulations. His last post came before the night of the violence. After the deaths, one of the members of the Telegram group wrote that the Querdenker had lost “a friend” and a “party member.”

https://www.vice.com...d-family-police
 
Over 2.58 bln COVID-19 vaccine doses administered on Chinese mainland
http://www.ecns.cn/n...un5312713.shtml
 

CNN aired a report on Friday from a hospital in Michigan that is “overwhelmed with [coronavirus] cases and deaths,” according to New Day anchor Brianna Keilar.
 
CNN senior national correspondent Miguel Marquez went inside a hospital that is part of the Sparrow Health System.
 
Covid hospitalizations in Michigan have skyrocketed 88 percent in the last month, according to Marquez.
 
*snip*
 
Marquez noted that flu season has been “another stressor on the health system in Michigan.”
 
In response to the report, Keilar remarked, “It’s an absolute war zone there for these nurses and for these doctors. And I was just really struck by that woman you were speaking to on supplemental oxygen saying even after this ordeal she won’t get vaccinated.”
 
“You know, look, one thing that nurses also told us is that not only are they treating these people, but these people come in and ask like it’s Starbucks there. No, I don’t want that treatment. I want ivermectin. I want this, I want that, I want all these other things I’ve heard about,” said Marquez. “And the hospital has to actually fight their own patients to give them the treatment that actually works!”
 
Ivermectin, which is a veterinary medicine, has, contrary to conspiracy theories, not been proven to treat Covid, according to the FDA.
 
“It’s madness! Get vaccinated!” said Marquez.

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Sen. Ron Johnson, the Wisconsin Republican and Trump loyalist, who has repeatedly promoted debunked medical advice, claimed on Wednesday that mouthwash can help prevent COVID infections.

Johnson, whose YouTube account was suspended earlier this year for violating the company's medical misinformation policies, was called out by medical experts for pushing yet more dubious COVID advice during a virtual town hall.

"Standard gargle, mouthwash, has been proven to kill the coronavirus," Johnson said, according to a recording published by the Wisconsin news outlet Heartland Signal. "If you get it, you may reduce viral replication. Why not try all these things?"
 
But while it appears true mouthwash can kill off virus particles in the mouth, most people are infected through their nasal passages and sinuses, according to medical experts.
 
"Even if gargling kills some of the virus, it won't be able to clean the nasal area, nor the viruses that's already penetrated deeper into the body," Kim Woo-Joo, an infectious disease expert at Korea University, told The Washington Post.

While there is no harm in using mouthwash, Raymond Niaura, who chairs the epidemiology department at New York University, told the Post that gargling should be accompanied by vaccination.

"That way, one would be at reduced risk for infection and have good smelling breath," he said.

On the website for Listerine, the best-known U.S. brand of antiseptic mouthwash, the company advises dental professionals that its products are "not intended to prevent or treat COVID-19 and should be used only as directed on the product label."

Johnson & Johnson, which makes Listerine, also notes that despite lab-based reports of mouthwashes "having activity against enveloped viruses, including coronavirus, the available data is insufficient, and no evidence-based clinical conclusions can be drawn with regards to the anti-viral efficacy of LISTERINE Antiseptic mouthwash at this time."

https://www.salon.co...h-wont-prevent/


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Posted 10 December 2021 - 11:30 AM

Getting ahead of the curve....

Immunisation expert panel didn't recommend Covid vaccine mandates

Australia's expert immunisation panel has distanced itself from state-enforced Covid-19 vaccine mandates and says it never recommended them.

The Australian Technical Advisory Group on Immunisation (ATAGI) insists no recommendation was made at any time to the states regarding mandatory vaccine rules, which have sparked widespread protests across the country.

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