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[FawltyVic]

that’s 4 churches burned to the ground now in one small part of BC.

no hate crime investigation?

can we lower flags for 4 days?



Father Thomas Kakkaniyil, the priest in charge of St. Gregory’s Church, said Sunday had been the first mass at the church in over a year — due to COVID-19. He said the church had daytime security for the mass, but there was no security overnight.

“Somebody from outside came and burned it as I understand it,” Kakkaniyil said. “It was done on the Osoyoos First Nation land but not by those people. It was somebody else.”


https://vancouversun...-b-c-s-interior







suspects have already been excluded here. with no evidence.



typical:




Crow said the RCMP were investigating. Mounties have not yet returned calls asking for information about the investigation.

The suspects are more than likely Aboriginal.

 

Non-Aboriginal people get noticed fast when they step onto reserve land.

[Victoria Watcher]

The pavement still hasn’t cooled from the record-breaking heat of this past weekend. You can practically smell the smoke in the air already. 

 

This won’t be smoke from the creeping, slow fires that the Lək̓ʷəŋən People used for millennia to manage Victoria’s landscape, carefully cultivating it into the “perfect Eden” settlers claimed to have “found” after the first of them arrived less than 250 years ago; it will be the black smoke that billows from the raging, ruinous, hungry fires of a parched province.

 

The people who tended those slow fires were chased from their lands then forcibly assimilated in Canada’s residential schools, places whose genocidal purpose we are again reminded of following the discovery of more than 1,000 (and counting) unmarked graves. Canada did that: Canada set about deliberately stripping First Nations, Inuit, and Métis people of their history, traditions, languages, cultures, and, in many cases, their lives through violence and through neglect. Those of us who weren’t directly involved looked away, and the media ignored it while perpetuating harmful stereotypes. 

 

That reality has been available to us since even before the Truth and Reconciliation Commission or the Missing and Murdered Indigenous Women and Girls inquiry, two national processes that laid bare our failures as a country. In the intervening years, Canada has made few steps to repair the damage and now the unmarked graves have dragged the recent past and ongoing harm into the spotlight again. 

 

Today the child welfare system continues the legacy of the Sixties Scoop, with more Indigenous children in foster care than there were in residential schools at the peak of that system: more than half the children in foster care are Indigenous despite making up just 7.7% of children in Canada, while Indigenous children receive worse government support and service than non-Indigenous children.  

 

https://www.capitald...g-on-canada-day

 

 

This won’t be smoke from the creeping, slow fires that the Lək̓ʷəŋən People used for millennia to manage Victoria’s landscape, carefully cultivating it into the “perfect Eden” settlers claimed to have “found” after the first of them arrived less than 250 years ago

 

 

any actual evidence that this is true?

Edited by Victoria Watcher, 30 June 2021 - 06:42 AM.

[Rob Randall]

3). Dendroecologists cite fire suppression, including the
limitation of traditional indigenous burning practices, as the primary driver in the contemporary
dominance of closed-canopy conifer forests on Vancouver Island (McCune, Pellatt, & Vellend,
2013). Considered a pyrogenic system (MacDougall, Beckwith, & Maslovat, 2004), the role of
fire in the Garry oak savannah ecosystem can hardly be understated.

 

Relatively frequent low
intensity surface fire was used by indigenous groups to limit conifer encroachment, to encourage
growth of important food plants (particularly root crops such as camas and bracken fern), reduce
fuel loads in order to to minimize the occurrence of catastrophic natural fire, to remineralize, and
to expose soils (MacDougall, Beckwith, & Maslovat, 2004; McCune, Pellatt, & Vellend, 2013).

Forest density on southern Vancouver Island has doubled due to modern fire suppression,
altering ecosystem species composition and allowing further recruitment of large fire sensitive
trees like Western red cedar

 

https://www.uvic.ca/...spring_2014.pdf

[Victoria Watcher]

184 found today in Cranbrook.

 

and another church burned down.

 

 

 

 

https://twitter.com/CBCNews

Edited by Victoria Watcher, 30 June 2021 - 08:02 AM.

[spanky123]

^ No longer front page news it seems.

 

Waiting today for the release from the Kamloops FN on their promised final report of the GPR scanning.

[Victoria Watcher]

Canada Day has been cancelled in Morrinville, the town most recently to have fallen victim to left wing terrorists.

 

Emergency crews were called to the historic Morrinville Catholic Church on Wednesday at 3:20 a.m. following the sixth arson attack against churches this week.

 

Less than 8 hours later, the mayor of Morinville announced the town would concede to the terrorists’ demands and cancel Canada Day festivities.

 

 

 

https://www.thecount...s-to-terrorists

Edited by Victoria Watcher, 30 June 2021 - 01:53 PM.

[Rob Randall]

Why do you rot your mind with the inane scribblings of that stunted child?

[spanky123]

Still no update from Chief Rosanne Casimir and now no further date is being provided for release of her report.

 

At what point do the words hoax or fraud start to enter the vocabulary?

[Victoria Watcher]

Still no update from Chief Rosanne Casimir and now no further date is being provided for release of her report.

At what point do the words hoax or fraud start to enter the vocabulary?

not quite yet. but for all the “graves” found nobody seems in any hurry to dig anything up.

[spanky123]

not quite yet. but for all the “graves” found nobody seems in any hurry to dig anything up.

 

A very good analysis of where we are at today with the "gravesites".

 

A Skeptical Analysis of the Reports of | by John | Jul, 2021 | Medium

[Victoria Watcher]

that’s an excellent piece.

[Sparky]

^^ Thanks for that link Spanky123.

There seems to be a lack of understanding that historically the death rate for all Canadians is 100%.

[Victoria Watcher]

^^ Thanks for that link Spanky123.

There seems to be a lack of understanding that historically the death rate for all Canadians is 100%.

And the dead to alive ratio is 14:1 with few of the 14 in marked graves.

[FawltyVic]

I've already lost hope in anything being done with these "investigations". I feel like history is repeating itself.

 

Fool me twice, shame on me.

[Rob Randall]

A very good analysis of where we are at today with the "gravesites".

 

A Skeptical Analysis of the Reports of | by John | Jul, 2021 | Medium

 

A big problem I have with this is that it repeats the nonsense found in this thread, that in the olden days lots of kids died.

 

However, the fact we need to keep in mind was that kids in the residential school system died due to malnutrition and deliberate neglect--tuberculosis preventative measures and treatments were not up to standards seen in other places. Of course lots of kids of all ethnicities died. But Indigenous kids died at a higher rate due to deliberate neglect.

Edited by Rob Randall, 02 July 2021 - 07:39 PM.

[Victoria Watcher]

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. Of course lots of kids of all ethnicities died. But Indigenous kids died at a higher rate due to deliberate neglect.[/quote

Can you show that? Esp. compared to on-reserve kids? even today on-reserve Canadians die 10 or 15 years earlier.

[KAS]

You could actually read the Truth & Reconciliation Reports, which are available online -  

 

There's one titled "Where are the children buried" by Dr. Scott Hamilton, of the Dept of Anthropology at Lakehead University which states the following:

 

"In his 1906 annual report, Dr. Peter Bryce, the chief medical officer for Indian Affairs, outlined the extent of this Aboriginal health crisis, and noted that “the Indian population of Canada has a mortality rate of more than double that of the whole population, and in some provinces more than three times.” Tuberculosis was the prevalent cause of death....Bryce also provided a national context for the school’s death rates. Using the statistics for the Shingkwauk Home in Ontario, the Sarcee school in Alberta, and the Cranbrook school in British Columbia for the period from 1892 to 1908, he calculated an annual death rate, from all causes, of 8,000 deaths per 100,000. (He included deaths at school and “soon after leaving” in making this calculation.) By comparison, according to Bryce, the 1901 Canadian census showed a death rate, from all causes, for those between five and fourteen years of age, of an equivalent of 430 per 100,000."  

[Victoria Watcher]

On the Siksika Nation reserve, about 95 kilometres east of Calgary, there are two churches about 15 kilometres apart for the 8,000 residents, one Catholic, the other Anglican. In the dark early morning — one on Monday, the second on Tuesday — someone tried to burn them both down.

 

https://www.fairview...s-across-canada

 

Northern B.C. First Nation’s church destroyed by 2nd fire in one week

https://globalnews.c...nd-church-fire/

 

Overnight fires at 2 Anglican churches in B.C. deemed suspicious

https://www.cbc.ca/n...-fire-1.6088601

 

Burning churches is 'not the Dene way,' says Dene Nation after Yellowknife fire

https://www.cbc.ca/n...-reax-1.6088863

 

‘There are so many heartless people’: New Hazleton church destroyed by second suspicious fire

 

https://globalnews.c...suspicious-fire

[Victoria Watcher]

 

 

https://twitter.com/...051131870932995

[spanky123]

You could actually read the Truth & Reconciliation Reports, which are available online -

 

There's one titled "Where are the children buried" by Dr. Scott Hamilton, of the Dept of Anthropology at Lakehead University which states the following:

 

"In his 1906 annual report, Dr. Peter Bryce, the chief medical officer for Indian Affairs, outlined the extent of this Aboriginal health crisis, and noted that “the Indian population of Canada has a mortality rate of more than double that of the whole population, and in some provinces more than three times.” Tuberculosis was the prevalent cause of death....Bryce also provided a national context for the school’s death rates. Using the statistics for the Shingkwauk Home in Ontario, the Sarcee school in Alberta, and the Cranbrook school in British Columbia for the period from 1892 to 1908, he calculated an annual death rate, from all causes, of 8,000 deaths per 100,000. (He included deaths at school and “soon after leaving” in making this calculation.) By comparison, according to Bryce, the 1901 Canadian census showed a death rate, from all causes, for those between five and fourteen years of age, of an equivalent of 430 per 100,000."  

 

 

The census doesn't show a death rate. Kinda of hard to fill out the forms if you are dead! Here is the link to the 1901 census.

 

https://www.bac-lac....out-census.aspx