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[A Girl is No one]

Butt ugly

[Nparker]

At least this sewage treatment facility has some architectural character:

[A Girl is No one]

That’s because the current city hall residents had nothing to do with it.

[todd]

Butt ugly

I think the foliage still needs to grow in a bit and the grass

[todd]

At least this sewage treatment facility has some architectural character:
city hall.jpg

That’s not a sewage treatment facility.

Edited by todd, 23 April 2021 - 01:36 PM.

[Nparker]

That’s not a sewage treatment facility.

I beg to differ.

[JohnN]

And with all that uncertainly tax payers will still foot the $500+ million bill because politicians will be held hostage by paranoid voters.

 

Coming to Esquimalt Council on Monday appears to be a CRD letter (15 page pdf) looking for consent to borrow $34 million for part of the sewage plant project.

 

Just glancing at it, the largest single debt provision is $5 million for Annual Provisional Emergency Repairs  with description as Unforeseen and unplanned emergency repairs can occur which require immediate attention (page 15 - image below). 

 

A segment of the debt doc shows that provision, as well as a seemingly-paltry $250,000 for a new LaFarge sludge storage tank for when the sludge can't be shipped to the mainland cement kilns (news item)

 

Link to the 15-page CRD letter: 

https://esquimalt.ca...DE-B9111BB638B5. 2

Annual Provisional Emergency Repairs

Unforeseen and unplanned emergency repairs can occur which require imm

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[aastra]

 

That’s not a sewage treatment facility.

 

Correct. The outflow from there is raw and untreated.

[Nparker]

Coming to Esquimalt Council on Monday appears to be a CRD letter (15 page pdf) looking for consent to borrow $34 million for part of the sewage plant project...

A mere pittance. It's barely $2000 for each Esquimalt resident. Taxpayers have endless funds.

[todd]

Correct. The outflow from there is raw and untreated.

They should be on the same sewage system as the rest of us. They’re now treating it.

Edited by todd, 23 April 2021 - 03:38 PM.

[Victoria Watcher]

so effectively we are just concentrating it and putting it in the landfill.

 

not much different than putting it in the ocean before.  except a billion $$$.

 

 

 

 

 

More than two months after the Capital Regional District expected to be sending Class A biosolids from its Hartland site to a Richmond cement facility for use as an alternative fuel source, it still isn’t happening.

 

According to a staff report to be presented to the CRD’s environmental services committee on Wednesday (June 16), both biosolids and less-processed “dewatered residuals” are currently being deposited as controlled waste and getting mixed in with municipal solid waste at the Hartland landfill.

 

A workplace death in late November at the Lafarge plant in Richmond forced it to close and not be able to accept the region’s biosolids. Glenn Harris, CRD senior manager of the environmental protection division, told Black Press Media in February they expected the cement plant to resume taking the biosolids by the end of March.

 

 

https://www.saanichn...ill-in-saanich/

Edited by Victoria Watcher, 14 June 2021 - 05:58 PM.

[Matt R.]

Are Class A the best ones?

Matt.

[JohnN]

Key point in that news story: "But the report states the CRD’s residuals treatment facility isn’t producing material up to the company’s standards. As soon as the facility can “reliably produce a dried product that meets particle size requirements in the contract,” the cement plant will accept it."

 

I recall the CRD's sewage project manager of the day, Jack Hull, expressing his concern that sending the sludge to mainland cement plants was nuts - and even more so, that the CRD would be expected to pay the plants to accept the sludge.

 

Now, having to try to standardize particle size could be very costly too. However, it comes back to the deal the CRD made with the provincial government that CRD wouldn't spread sludge on local farm land but would figure out some way to extract "beneficial use" from the sludge. 

 

Whether or not the CRD spends a ton of money pursuing useless disposal options of sending to cement plants or failed ideas about extracting valuable chemicals from the sludge, isn't important to the province.

 

However, what the province really cares about is that no other district or municipality in BC gets the idea that they can ignore the issue of beneficial use, simply because the province is well aware that land-based sewage treatment produces enormous quantities of sludge and that many other municipalities might like to avoid the usual way of sludge disposal: spreading on farm or forest lands. 

 

But since 2011, CRD says no to farm/forest sludge spreading so now CRD taxpayers are expected to pay a lot more on sketchy sludge disposal schemes. 

 

Probably in the end could be best to just keep piling it up at Hartland until somebody decides that incinerating it onsite is the way to go, or end up spending another 1/2 billion to develop a new landfill site just for the sludge. What a choice. 

Edited by JohnN, 15 June 2021 - 04:55 AM.

[Victoria Watcher]

can't we just encapsulate it into big cement blocks and use it for landscaping or highway base and shoring?  how toxic is it?  what does it look or smell like?  is it heavier than concrete?

 

 

 

Edited by Victoria Watcher, 15 June 2021 - 05:27 AM.

[Sparky]

I have a question.

 

What exactly is a "dewatered residual"?

 

Is that  a dried turd?

 

Asking for a friend.

[Rob Randall]

^It's why I'd prefer to clean the cat litter box than clean up after a big dog.

[spanky123]

I have a question.

 

What exactly is a "dewatered residual"?

 

Is that  a dried turd?

 

Asking for a friend.

 

Yep. The technical term is de-watered sludge in case your friend wants to be precise.

[spanky123]

can't we just encapsulate it into big cement blocks and use it for landscaping or highway base and shoring?  how toxic is it?  what does it look or smell like?  is it heavier than concrete?

 

It is going to have whatever chemicals are in your poop. It doesn't smell much when it is dry but spread it outside and it is going to get wet.

 

You have to wonder if there was ever any plan to ship the sludge to Vancouver or it was all just BS to get the project through approvals. I wonder if the FN drivers are still being paid $1,200 a load to drive the sludge to Vancouver?

[todd]

"Something’s not right with a major part of our new sewage treatment system..."



"..Neighbours of Hartland, including Butchart Gardens, are voicing their concerns that burying bio-solids into the landfill with garbage poses health and environmental risks to nearby waterways, including Tod Creek, Durrance Lake and Saanich Inlet.."


(front page TC)

https://www.timescol...tead-1.24331085


Maybe time to go back to the old way for the time being?

Edited by todd, 16 June 2021 - 09:11 AM.

[Rob Randall]

Precient:

 

I envisage ten years from now--the half billion dollar sewage treatment centre is built and has just been activated. The megalitres of deadly chemicals have been skimmed off and concentrated into a single test tube. The technician picks it up--frowns--looks around--shrugs his shoulders--and pours it down the drain.

 

So basically after all these years and billions of dollars the same harmful chemicals that used to be dispersed into the ocean are now put into the local soil.