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#19001 Mike K.

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Posted 05 August 2020 - 12:48 AM

Oh yeah, we all understand that we’ve been lead down this path under pretenses of scientifically proven or backed policies.

But like you said, the battle lines have been drawn and far too much is at stake to see a pivot or an admission that some policies are making things worse.
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#19002 Victoria Watcher

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Posted 05 August 2020 - 05:22 AM

People without homes who have lived in the capital region for a year or more should be given higher priority for housing than those who recently moved here, says Victoria Mayor Lisa Helps.

 

In a motion going to committee of the whole on Thursday, Helps and three city councillors recommend that a one-year residency requirement be added to the list of criteria that’s used when assessing people for housing.

 

https://www.timescol...sing-1.24181120



#19003 GetLisaSomeHelps

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Posted 05 August 2020 - 07:13 AM

So now people will know they need to camp out for a year before getting that free housing. Short-term pain...


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#19004 A Girl is No one

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Posted 05 August 2020 - 07:17 AM

And/Or the ones who didn’t know they needed to lie will. Expect the next PIT survey to show everyone in Victoria for a minimum of a year. And still no drop in the numbers.
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Posted 05 August 2020 - 07:22 AM

We also know there’s no mandate requiring people to substantiate their claims of residency, so it feels like the mayor has posited this motion in an attempt to quell concerns but how effective such a motion will be is not known.
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#19006 GetLisaSomeHelps

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Posted 05 August 2020 - 07:24 AM

And/Or the ones who didn’t know they needed to lie will. Expect the next PIT survey to show everyone in Victoria for a minimum of a year. And still no drop in the numbers.

 

"This confirms our stance that the homeless in Victoria are from here" - Shockingly, no councillor in the CRD will have heard of data validity & accuracy as it pertains to data integrity.


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#19007 Awaiting Juno

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Posted 05 August 2020 - 10:49 AM

Can the city, the province and the patchwork quilt of "service providers" please get in one room so that they can coordinate their efforts so that the most people (and of those the most adversely affected) can be helped with the resources available?  Can they agree on a framework to triage people in a way that is objective and fair?  Can they communicate with one another so that resources do not go to waste?  Can they serve their existing population better (ie. set standards for continued occupancy of publicly provided housing) and work to move people through the publicly provided housing so that we are not in a position of having to build ever more units of public housing?  Imagine a hospital system where people are kept in acute care beds long after they have recovered - the same problem exists in our un-housed support system with absolutely no effort to accurately measure what the system is, what the capacity is and how to better "grease the system" so that people are lifted up out of the need for it and are able to provide for themselves in sustainable ways.


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Posted 05 August 2020 - 11:46 AM


People without homes who have lived in the capital region for a year or more should be given higher priority for housing than those who recently moved here, says Victoria Mayor Lisa Helps.



In a motion going to committee of the whole on Thursday, Helps and three city councillors recommend that a one-year residency requirement be added to the list of criteria that’s used when assessing people for housing.


https://www.timescol...sing-1.24181120


Funny how the report continues to try to tell us that its a myth that homeless people here have come from elsewhere when a couple of quick calculations reveal that close to 200 arrived in the past year and 800 or so within the past 5 years.
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#19009 Awaiting Juno

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Posted 05 August 2020 - 12:15 PM

What about a national "Housing Insurance" program to deal with this issue?  Treat it similar to Employment Insurance (with similar supports for housing search and temporary housing replacement).  



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Posted 05 August 2020 - 01:03 PM

What about a national "Housing Insurance" program to deal with this issue? Treat it similar to Employment Insurance (with similar supports for housing search and temporary housing replacement).


Maybe but with 200 or so incoming annually we will quickly run out of hotels, especially since its apparently necessary for everyone to be crammed into the downtown area.
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Posted 05 August 2020 - 01:05 PM

Maybe but with 200 or so incoming annually we will quickly run out of hotels, especially since its apparently necessary for everyone to be crammed into the downtown area.

 

If every community was required to have "Insurance Housing" to meet temporary needs, maybe those people wouldn't move here in the first place.



#19012 Victoria Watcher

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Posted 05 August 2020 - 01:07 PM

the employment assistance program you model it on runs out if you do not take a job.

 

many homeless people would rather sleep on streets than work.



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Posted 05 August 2020 - 01:08 PM

What about a national "Housing Insurance" program to deal with this issue?  Treat it similar to Employment Insurance (with similar supports for housing search and temporary housing replacement).  

 

How about a national or provincial rental subsidy program (similar to that of daycare)? The devil would always be in the details when it comes to funding/eligibility but buying hotels/allowing urban camping in sensitive parks such as Beacon Hill is not the answer.


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#19014 GetLisaSomeHelps

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Posted 05 August 2020 - 01:10 PM

the employment assistance program you model it on runs out if you do not take a job.

 

many homeless people would rather sleep on streets than work.

 

Can we just build a giant barge and advertise it as a party island where we dump them all?


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#19015 A Girl is No one

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Posted 05 August 2020 - 01:51 PM

How about a national or provincial rental subsidy program (similar to that of daycare)? The devil would always be in the details when it comes to funding/eligibility but buying hotels/allowing urban camping in sensitive parks such as Beacon Hill is not the answer.

Interesting suggestions AJ. Thanks.

#19016 LJ

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Posted 05 August 2020 - 07:41 PM

If every community was required to have "Insurance Housing" to meet temporary needs, maybe those people wouldn't move here in the first place.

Again, 90% of these people aren't "homeless" they are criminal drug addicts. 

 

If we could identify the 10% who were working poor and help them with them housing I would be fully supportive.

 

As it is now we have bylaws that permit overnight camping only, enforce that and a lot of your problems disappear.


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#19017 Nparker

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Posted 05 August 2020 - 08:12 PM

...As it is now we have bylaws that permit overnight camping only, enforce that and a lot of your problems disappear.

This.



#19018 Awaiting Juno

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Posted 05 August 2020 - 08:19 PM

Again, 90% of these people aren't "homeless" they are criminal drug addicts. 

 

If we could identify the 10% who were working poor and help them with them housing I would be fully supportive.

 

As it is now we have bylaws that permit overnight camping only, enforce that and a lot of your problems disappear.

 

Like employment insurance - if you're at fault, you don't qualify.  It might separate out those need a hand up from those who are using the kindness of others unfairly.  


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#19019 Awaiting Juno

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Posted 05 August 2020 - 08:20 PM

Like employment insurance - if you're at fault, you don't qualify.  It might separate out those need a hand up from those who are using the kindness of others unfairly.  

 

Also like employment insurance, there's a duty to be actively looking for market housing.  Not actively looking - then you're going to be put on notice.


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#19020 kxl

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Posted 06 August 2020 - 04:12 AM

So what has Chrissy Brett been up to lately?

Brett and other camp leaders are calling for a safe supply of drugs and alcohol to be available to anyone who needs it.

https://globalnews.c...pete-fry-cknw/?

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