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[Nparker]

start one of these wine bottle pyramid schemes at your office.

But I'm the only one in my office these days. It'll be a pretty small pyramid.

[Victoria Watcher]

coming in now.  live shot of Nparker's office:

 

 

Edited by Victoria Watcher, 06 August 2020 - 07:12 AM.

[Nparker]

I wish it was that lively.

[aastra]

 

McKenzie said he found the timing of the discovery “troubling,”

 

For sure, such incidents are extremely fishy, and the first step toward media literacy is to ask why you're being shown or told what you're being shown or told, and why now? Where is the media coverage and the commentary ultimately driving things? As we all know from direct personal experience, some things receive inordinately excessive attention and some things get zero attention. Apply scrutiny to ALL narratives in the news media: not just the hyped things but the buried things as well.

[mbjj]

Oh the mayor is on CFAX right now, lol.

[aastra]

 

"I think your natural instinct, especially in a community when we don’t understand addiction..."

 

Sigh. Anyone who continues to foster this "you just don't understand the way I understand" nonsense needs to be called out. Countless millions and millions of people struggle with addictions of one type or another. In the USA there are tens of millions of people who struggle with drug/alcohol abuse. How can such issues be so ubiquitous, in our own families, our own relationships, in our own workplaces, in our own parks and on our own sidewalks, and yet we're still devoting so much effort toward this kind of marginalization?

 

 

...what would that person have gained from that, compared to on the other side where it’s raised more hatred towards the campers at Beacon Hill Park.

 

Wow, thanks for clarifying that for us. Yeah, who would have gained, indeed. The "other side", the bad guys, the [insert favorite smear here] would have gained. No need to speculate, we've been told straight out (in a news story, no less) who would have gained.

 

Folks, the social division agenda here is massive. Don't fall for it.

[Mike K.]

Adam Stirling says the City of Victoria's report to council indicating 88% of individuals are "local" is factually incorrect.

 

The City, in a report to mayor and council, lumped in 4% that did not know how long they've been here, or wouldn't say.

 

Asked about this during a seven minute segment with Al Farraby just ahead of 9AM, the mayor didn't know what to say, but settled on saying something to the effect of "let's say its around 80%" who are "local."

 

In conversation with people, the "here for more than one year means you're local" isn't flying. It literally means that if 16% say they've arrived within the last year, approximately that many arrived within two years. Thrice as many within three years. And so on.

[exc911ence]

Did that article really say "consumed an average of 46 drinks a day"? I've barely consumed 46 drinks in my life... and I'm 50. 

[Rob Randall]

^A hardcore alcoholic acquainance of mine downs a can of beer like I would down a shotglass of water. He can go through a few cases of beer a day. He has his own apartment but only because he has (for now) a good support structure. But I don't expect he'll be around in ten years.

[Victoria Watcher]

the whole 1 year thing is bunk anyway.  5-year is better test.  and that's 40+% newcomers.  and as i say, compared to what 10 or 12% total population increase?

[aastra]

 

^A hardcore alcoholic acquainance of mine downs a can of beer like I would down a shotglass of water. He can go through a few cases of beer a day. He has his own apartment but only because he has (for now) a good support structure. But I don't expect he'll be around in ten years.

 

Fine, you have this acquaintance. But you'd better not claim to understand anything about him or his situation. Because you can't possibly understand.

 

Seriously, just try counting all of the people in your own family & personal circle who have had serious issues with alcohol. And yet the authorities tell us we can't understand, we have no familiarity.

[Nparker]

From my exposure to alcoholism, no one has ever gotten better via a steady supply of "safe" alcohol.

[JimV]

Headline:

 

People need to resist the urge to jump to conclusions about who left a used needle found taped to a railing in Beacon Hill Park, says Our Place communications director Grant McKenzie.

 

McKenzie said he found the timing of the discovery “troubling,” given the growing tensions surrounding the presence of homeless people living in Beacon Hill Park.

While McKenzie said he can’t rule out the possibility that someone who used the needle tied it to the railing, he said it could have been placed to stir up more controversy about people tenting in the park.

 

“I think your natural instinct, especially in a community when we don’t understand addiction, we jump to that conclusion right away. Oh, it must have been someone who’s addicted who did that. You really have to think about, you know, what would that person have gained from that, compared to on the other side where it’s raised more hatred towards the campers at Beacon Hill Park. And so that seems, to me, a larger incentive than someone actually deliberately trying to hurt someone for no good reason,” McKenzie said.

 

McKenzie is grasping at straws.  The same reasoning could be applied to the arsons at U-Haul.  Nothing to gain, etc.  But hey, guess what, they just arrested a suspect in the Comfort Inn.

People around around here don’t need to manufacture reasons to dislike the BHP campers.  The continuous thefts and general disorder is enough.

[aastra]

 

The same reasoning could be applied to the arsons...

 

Hey, what does anyone gain by dumping junk and trash in Beacon Hill Park? It's bad for people who want to enjoy the park, but it's especially bad for people who want to live in the park. And yet it's happening.

[Victoria Watcher]

So yes, free booze, but a lot of strings attached. I'm also in favour of free drugs with similar restrictions. Forget strings, these are ropes, take it or leave it. 

 

why free though?  street drugs are not free.  why should we reduce the price for government-supplied drugs/booze?  cost is one reason why addicts are not even in worse shape.

 

and we are already supplying free drugs but as that cbc article i posted the other day states, the drugs are not acceptable to many users.  they want the real stuff.  so they sell them.  as many as 50% of the 2000 recipients are selling their free supply.

[Rob Randall]

From my exposure to alcoholism, no one has ever gotten better via a steady supply of "safe" alcohol.

 

Did you not just read the study I posted earlier today? Cured, no. Better, yes.

[Nparker]

I stand by my comment.

[Rob Randall]

why free though?  street drugs are not free.  why should we reduce the price for government-supplied drugs/booze?  cost is one reason why addicts are not even in worse shape.

 

I don't know, I never thought about that. Maybe there are concerns about the government profiting (or breaking even) on supplying destructive drugs. Dispensing it is bad enough. The optics of it I mean, not the health reasons why.

[Rob Randall]

I stand by my comment.

 

Why stand by a comment that makes no sense? These poor folks managed to slash their alcohol intake and get relatively healthier with fewer interactions with cops and hospitals. 

[Nparker]

Why stand by a comment that makes no sense...

For the alcoholics I have known, there was no such thing as a "safe" amount of alcohol. Abstinence was the only way their lives became better. So my comment does make sense.