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#16581 aastra

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Posted 13 September 2019 - 11:20 AM

 

Obviously the difference between support services and medial/dental services being distributed is the clientele.  People generally aren't bothered by the individuals attending the latter.

 

But you see how I'm exposing the inconsistency in this premise, right? How did we decide that downtown Victoria should be burdened, but not downtown Sidney and not Oak Bay Avenue and not Gordon Head? If we're so darned concerned about bothering people, then downtown was a lousy choice right out of the gate. And in the 21st century downtown is fast becoming an off-the-charts laughably nonsensical choice.

 

Downtown is full of people, but we don't want to bother people, so we stuff the bothersome things into downtown. Give me a break.

 

We don't want to see unpleasant stuff in our own neighbourhoods. Full stop. Even (especially?) when the unpleasant stuff is the product of our own neighbourhoods. This is the privileged & selfish attitude that needs to change.


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#16582 Matt R.

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Posted 13 September 2019 - 11:37 AM

Victoria needs a Mark Brand.

Matt.

#16583 Rob Randall

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Posted 17 September 2019 - 10:53 AM

Trump, a few minutes ago:

 

Trump says homeless people are living in "our best highways, our best streets, our best entrances to buildings" where people pay "tremendous taxes" and want "prestige." Says he's speaking to tenants who "want to leave the country." He adds: "We'll be doing something about it."

 

Let's face it, the primary problem that bothers us is the visual aspect of homelessness. Other politicians dance around the subject. 


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#16584 Rob Randall

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Posted 17 September 2019 - 11:06 AM

Full quote:

 

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Posted 17 September 2019 - 11:07 AM

yes the visual aspect sucks. something is wrong visually when an otherwise potentially functioning or even productive person is laid out in a doorway at 10am on a Tuesday morning. it’s looks real bad.
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#16586 Awaiting Juno

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Posted 17 September 2019 - 12:12 PM

Sadly, at the core, is an inability to access a set of services that were perhaps more accessible previously in the context of drugs that are far more accessible now than they were.  Decades ago, people could be committed on mental health grounds far more easily than they can now.  Now, a person has to be on the brink of harming themselves or others before accessing urgent services.  Loved ones often find themselves in court as they are unable to repair the damage caused by a delusional and sick spouse who has gone off the rails but who lacks the insight to ask for help themselves.  We've further enabled those same people to self-medicate, which likely exacerbates the problem.  Protection of privacy means the people who might be best able to provide insight into the mental health of a loved one are locked out. 


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#16587 Love the rock

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Posted 17 September 2019 - 02:05 PM

But you see how I'm exposing the inconsistency in this premise, right? How did we decide that downtown Victoria should be burdened, but not downtown Sidney and not Oak Bay Avenue and not Gordon Head? If we're so darned concerned about bothering people, then downtown was a lousy choice right out of the gate. And in the 21st century downtown is fast becoming an off-the-charts laughably nonsensical choice.
 
Downtown is full of people, but we don't want to bother people, so we stuff the bothersome things into downtown. Give me a break.
 
We don't want to see unpleasant stuff in our own neighbourhoods. Full stop. Even
(especially?) when the unpleasant stuff is the product of our own neighbourhoods.
This is the privileged & selfish attitude that needs to change.

I’m not saying it’s all to do with Ms Helps at all . Some of it is her fault in my opinion.
When homeless from Sask with mental health issues arrived she welcomed them with open arms on the news .When campers flooded the courthouse lawn she told them they did a good job and gave them rewards . She also decided to pay them for their opinions.The money just walked out the door.People with addiction issues are looking for ways to make their lives easier.Lets face it they already struggle daily with getting high . We have provided an easier option especially if people feel they’ve worn out their welcome where they live now . We give them art lessons ,pet care ,all the food they will ever need ,clean needles somewhere safe to get high on and on and decent weather.
We also give them a sense of community in the downtown streets. We don’t make any of this difficult.You go to work to and pay taxes right or wrong to support this .
I think the mayor is partly to blame because of her naive attitude on the issues. Addicts are masters at manipulation ,it’s part of addiction. Helps seems to be distancing herself from the homeless lately after opening the flood gates . It’s not all her fault I do put part of the blame on her .
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#16588 Rob Randall

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Posted 17 September 2019 - 02:56 PM

They've identified the California building considered for warehousing the homeless: an unused FAA building designed by the famous modernist architect Cesar Pelli. It's located in a residential/industrial neighbourhood so there are no nearby stores or employment opportunities. 

 

One lesson we've learned is when you do this, you create a concentration of crime. Also, the building gets slowly destroyed. Imagine the Johnson Street building x10. Thousands of people. 


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#16589 Victoria Watcher

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Posted 17 September 2019 - 03:19 PM

there are no nearby stores or employment opportunities out at gordon point but some "homeless looking" person attacked a woman out there at 2:30am recently so it must still be a desirable area to them.

 



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Posted 17 September 2019 - 03:23 PM

They've identified the California building considered for warehousing the homeless: an unused FAA building designed by the famous modernist architect Cesar Pelli. It's located in a residential/industrial neighbourhood so there are no nearby stores or employment opportunities. 

 

 

 

not so sure.  the circle is 200m radius.

 

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just out of the map about 500-600m to the northwest is a while slew of chain and independent restaurants and stores.


Edited by Victoria Watcher, 17 September 2019 - 03:26 PM.

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#16591 A Girl is No one

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Posted 17 September 2019 - 04:54 PM

I’m not saying it’s all to do with Ms Helps at all . Some of it is her fault in my opinion.
When homeless from Sask with mental health issues arrived she welcomed them with open arms on the news .When campers flooded the courthouse lawn she told them they did a good job and gave them rewards . She also decided to pay them for their opinions.The money just walked out the door.People with addiction issues are looking for ways to make their lives easier.Lets face it they already struggle daily with getting high . We have provided an easier option especially if people feel they’ve worn out their welcome where they live now . We give them art lessons ,pet care ,all the food they will ever need ,clean needles somewhere safe to get high on and on and decent weather.
We also give them a sense of community in the downtown streets. We don’t make any of this difficult.You go to work to and pay taxes right or wrong to support this .
I think the mayor is partly to blame because of her naive attitude on the issues. Addicts are masters at manipulation ,it’s part of addiction. Helps seems to be distancing herself from the homeless lately after opening the flood gates . It’s not all her fault I do put part of the blame on her .

Wasn’t her PHD work (never completed) on homelessness?
You are kind and forgiving. I myself tried very hard to demonstrate to her through research and actual results that the low barrier housing is not the be all and end all that she touted. She was adamantly not interested in the facts. I don’t think she is that innocent. I’m thinking that she may be distancing herself from that bring it on attitude for her future career goals.
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#16592 Belleprincess

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Posted 17 September 2019 - 05:14 PM

Trump, a few minutes ago:
 
Trump says homeless people are living in "our best highways, our best streets, our best entrances to buildings" where people pay "tremendous taxes" and want "prestige." Says he's speaking to tenants who "want to leave the country." He adds: "We'll be doing something about it."
 
Let's face it, the primary problem that bothers us is the visual aspect of homelessness. Other politicians dance around the subject.


He talks about these PEOPLE like they’re weeds. How many veterans are on the streets? How many people who are mentally ill? I don’t know what the solution is. All I know is it’s getting worse. I remember when we had a few “drunks” downtown, now it has ballooned into an issue that seems impossible to solve

#16593 A Girl is No one

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Posted 19 September 2019 - 04:27 PM

Because tent cities are so great and safe for everyone...

Increase in weapon seizures and violent crimes has the Vancouver Police renewing safety concerns around Oppenheimer Park.

“The park was home to hundreds of homeless people this summer, and while residents received bylaw notices to leave the tent city in August, many have stayed.”

“In my 30-plus years with the VPD, I have never seen such high numbers of weapons seized in one district alone,” Chow says in the release. “The numbers almost average out to one gun seized each day so far this year. I am also very concerned about the high levels of aggression we are seeing towards police.”

https://news.google....l=CA&ceid=CA:en

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#16594 pennymurphy2000

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Posted 20 September 2019 - 04:50 PM

Over the last week there has been an increase in the number of shelters that have been set up on the government owned land at Saanich and Blanshard. 6 tents can now clearly be seen from the road and there was a poor fellow with no shoes and no shirt doing some crazy dance moves on the sidewalk. He looked high as a kite and it is a miracle he didn't wander into the busy morning rush hour. Sad.



#16595 mbjj

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Posted 20 September 2019 - 05:03 PM

I had to drive my husband to a medical appt. this morning and saw the tents there. Also the fellow across from the London Drugs on Yates Street had his tent door open and was eating breakfast. When we were headed up Vancouver St., just before we got to the MacDonalds, I was watching the traffic light and out of the blue three people pushing their goods on carts came right into the road in front of me headed, I imagine, up to Our Place. Yikes! With so much else to watch at that intersection, it was a bit startling.



#16596 Nparker

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Posted 20 September 2019 - 08:43 PM

...When we were headed up Vancouver St., just before we got to the MacDonalds, I was watching the traffic light and out of the blue three people pushing their goods on carts came right into the road in front of me headed, I imagine, up to Our Place...

Sounds like the kind of "messy" at least one local elected official really likes.


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#16597 laconic

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Posted 21 September 2019 - 07:18 AM

Chrissy Brett is on Global news this morning talking about Oppenheimer Park. She is claiming that all is fine and good there. She says the police etc, have it all wrong.

#16598 pennymurphy2000

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Posted 21 September 2019 - 02:52 PM

Gee, that sure sounds familiar. Same speech, different park. 


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#16599 rmpeers

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Posted 21 September 2019 - 05:17 PM

She's on brand, as always.

#16600 Victoria Watcher

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Posted 27 September 2019 - 03:13 AM

Majority of homeless support workers are women: Statistics Canada Report

 

https://www.vicnews....-canada-report/

 

 

in other breaking news most nurses hairdressers and elementary and preschool teachers are women too.



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