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#16601 sebberry

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Posted 27 September 2019 - 08:12 AM

OUR PLACE OPENS NEW VICTORIA SHELTER TO MEET GROWING DEMAND

https://www.iheartra...mand-1.10013448


Am I missing something here or is our 'solve homelessness' plan not working here?
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#16602 Victoria Watcher

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Posted 27 September 2019 - 08:20 AM

they just magically found space for 35 in their basement.



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Posted 27 September 2019 - 08:33 AM

they just magically found space for 35 in their basement.


But...

Increasing demand does not seem like we're going in the right direction.
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Posted 27 September 2019 - 08:54 AM

when you offer increased free services demand follows.


Besides the sleeping mats, for the first time ever Our Place is offering hot showers in the evenings, seven days per week at the winter shelter.

"A hot shower is so important for both physical and mental health,” said Evans. “And we have fantastic volunteers who scrub the showers after every use so that people are entering a clean space. It is just one of the ways that we show dignity and respect for the people we serve.”


https://vancouverisl...emand-1.4612583

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Posted 03 October 2019 - 10:16 AM

when you offer increased free services demand follows.


Besides the sleeping mats, for the first time ever Our Place is offering hot showers in the evenings, seven days per week at the winter shelter.

"A hot shower is so important for both physical and mental health,” said Evans. “And we have fantastic volunteers who scrub the showers after every use so that people are entering a clean space. It is just one of the ways that we show dignity and respect for the people we serve.”


https://vancouverisl...emand-1.4612583

 

After every use seems a bit excessive and a bit of a waste of volunteer resources.  Showers at the rec centre aren't "scrubbed after every use"...and maybe, just maybe, would it be too much to ask the person showering to clean up after themselves?  I mean, really.


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#16606 LJ

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Posted 03 October 2019 - 12:19 PM

^We don't ask them to do anything else how could we possibly impose cleaning up after themselves on them.


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Posted 03 October 2019 - 08:05 PM

^We don't ask them to do anything else how could we possibly impose cleaning up after themselves on them.

 

C'mon we all know that consistently doing folks work for them motivates them to want to do it themselves. I wonder if we are paying them the $15 an hour to at least watch the volunteers.


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#16608 rmpeers

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Posted 13 October 2019 - 12:36 PM

If you want to laugh, check out the banner graphic that sits atop the Twitter page of Against Displacement, the "activist" organization behind the Victoria tent city and others. It gives insight, I think, into why homelessness in these parts is not likely to be solved in the near future, because groups like this have too much influence...

#16609 Victoria Watcher

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Posted 13 October 2019 - 01:04 PM

If you want to laugh, check out the banner graphic that sits atop the Twitter page of Against Displacement, the "activist" organization behind the Victoria tent city and others. It gives insight, I think, into why homelessness in these parts is not likely to be solved in the near future, because groups like this have too much influence...



https://twitter.com/stopdisplacemnt

as usual some sjws that aren’t homeless take over and expand the agenda.

#16610 Nparker

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Posted 13 October 2019 - 01:54 PM

...check out the banner graphic that sits atop the Twitter page of Against Displacement...

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Was John Horgan born with laser eyes, or is this something the BC taxpayer has had to pay for?



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Posted 13 October 2019 - 03:42 PM

Bill Maher is speaking about the States but it is the same here whether we are talking about the homeless problem or building a new bridge.

https://youtu.be/R1elBgwBu2g

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#16612 rmpeers

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Posted 13 October 2019 - 09:27 PM

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Was John Horgan born with laser eyes, or is this something the BC taxpayer has had to pay for?


I'm pretty certain the ramblings of this group and their UVic staff associates likely help fuel the bad-cop fantasies of several council members.
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#16613 A Girl is No one

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Posted 15 October 2019 - 07:18 PM

Very interesting read.... actually presents a plan to make things better...

https://www.city-jou...co-homelessness

Too many great sections to paste here but here’s a short one that sounds very familiar:
“ The combination of maximal tolerance for antisocial behavior, on the one hand, and free services and food, on the other, acts as a magnet. ”
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#16614 Mike K.

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Posted 15 October 2019 - 07:36 PM

Oh yeah, that’s pretty good.

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#16615 rmpeers

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Posted 16 October 2019 - 11:32 AM

Have to raise an eyebrow at the "criminalizing homelessness" accusation, which is deployed anytime anyone tries to call out actual criminal behaviour.

In Victoria, when people raised concerns about organized crime presence, on-sight assaults, sales of hard drugs to minors and break-ins, they were accused of homeless-hating by the thuggish "activists" and a gang of slick lawyers, tasked with essentially making sure the drug trade didn't get interupted.

In any case, this city needs a better approach. The amazing work of the local poverty industry and assorted activists seems to do absolutely nothing to help people who are suffering on the streets.
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Posted 21 October 2019 - 03:49 PM

The solution of:  providing affordable homes for everyone (and a popular promise just now of some politicians). 

 

Seems like a no-brainer, except:

1.)  who pays? (us, through our taxes of course) and,

2.)  what's the long term consequence? 

 

The latter's by far the most worrisome to me.  This planet has 7 billion+ people on it.  If only 1% of the people head out to lovely Victoria in the next few decades because they've heard we've an established policy of 'providing affordable homes for everyone', that's some 70 million newcomers (a wee bit overwhelming).

 

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#16617 Love the rock

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Posted 21 October 2019 - 06:04 PM

Very interesting read.... actually presents a plan to make things better...
https://www.city-jou...co-homelessness
Too many great sections to paste here but here’s a short one that sounds very familiar:
“ The combination of maximal tolerance for antisocial behavior, on the one hand, and free services and food, on the other, acts as a magnet. ”

Yeah I don’t get why this isn’t evident to everyone. To me it’s common sense do people not believe it or choose to ignore this ideal for personal feel
good helping vibes .I really would like to know .

#16618 Nparker

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Posted 23 October 2019 - 12:37 PM

The CoV is at odds with the security fence BC Housing installed along the Pandora frontage of its 844 Johnson housing project.

...BC Housing originally constructed the fence to ensure the safety of the residents and to address security concerns regarding people accessing the building who did not live there...staff recommend council decline BC Housing’s [variance] application due to a number of factors, including...the regularly-outlined aesthetic requirements...“The guidelines note that fences and gates must not contribute to a ‘fortress’ appearance from the street,”...

https://www.vicnews....ousing-divided/

Maybe the CoV should take a look at the aesthetics of the building since BC Housing took over the space. The fence is at least tidy and well-maintained. The same can't be said about what the public can see of the rest of the facility.


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#16619 sebberry

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Posted 23 October 2019 - 12:44 PM

The CoV is at odds with the security fence BC Housing installed along the Pandora Street frontage of its 844 Johnson housing project.

Maybe the CoV should take a look at the aesthetics of the building since BC Housing took over the space. The fence is at least tidy and well-maintained. The same can't be said about what the public can see of the rest of the facility.

 


Approval of this fence could also set a design standard in which other buildings along Pandora Avenue install similar fences, which would contribute to the public’s perception of whether the street or area is safe or not.”

 

Perception of safety?  It's not the fence we need to worry about creating the wrong impression.  


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Posted 23 October 2019 - 12:47 PM

Perception of safety?  It's not the fence we need to worry about creating the wrong impression.  

Exactly.



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