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#16621 rmpeers

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Posted 23 October 2019 - 12:58 PM

The CoV is at odds with the security fence BC Housing installed along the Pandora Street frontage of its 844 Johnson housing project.
Maybe the CoV should take a look at the aesthetics of the building since BC Housing took over the space. The fence is at least tidy and well-maintained. The same can't be said about what the public can see of the rest of the facility.


Good God... so BC Housing correctly puts this fence up, knowing that the residents of this building are easy prey for drug dealers and lord knows who else, and now the stable geniuses of the CoV want to get rid of it?

Presumably they are worried the fence is slowing down the street drug trade, as it was clearly intended to do, and lord knows, the folks at city hall try to do everything humanly possible to ensure local drug gangs face as few obstacles as possible.

And they'd hate to create the impression the area is unsafe in any way. LOL. That is a pretty good joke, I'll admit. (It was meant to be a joke, right?)

More evidence of why the homeless and addicted in this city will never get any real help or the chance of a better future. Too many vested interests who want to keep the problem going, etc etc...

The scary thing is, how bad will things get once Mayor Isitt takes over...
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#16622 Nparker

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Posted 23 October 2019 - 01:05 PM

..they'd hate to create the impression the area is unsafe in any way...

I suspect this is a big part of the CoV's concern. Denying the problem exists is so much easier than solving it.


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Posted 23 October 2019 - 04:18 PM

https://www.amazon.c...y/dp/0553447432

 

Carried by our GVPL (library). 

 

I read this this past week, it certainly brings up a lot of issues I'd not thought of and fleshes out the tenant / landlord subcultures that have been contributing to the problem.

 

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Posted 23 October 2019 - 04:27 PM

The CoV is at odds with the security fence BC Housing installed along the Pandora frontage of its 844 Johnson housing project.
Maybe the CoV should take a look at the aesthetics of the building since BC Housing took over the space. The fence is at least tidy and well-maintained. The same can't be said about what the public can see of the rest of the facility.

And nothing about all the other gates and fences that businesses and homeowners had to put up at their own expense, and obviously not for appearances. Those will be next if they pursue the same logic, cuz it makes the 844 Johnson residents look bad. Ugh.

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#16625 Midnightly

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Posted 23 October 2019 - 08:56 PM

i remember a few years back when the church on pandora and vancouver fed up with having to clean up every day after homeless people, and having homeless people intimidate their members they put up a gate with fencing to let people feel safe... and the people at our place (and other street people) called it a "hate gate"

 

another business puts up blocks and bumps ontop of their fencing/short wall to prevent people from sitting on it and the business is attacked for being against homeless people

 

yet 844 johnson does the same thing (to keep the people who live in the building safe).. puts up a gate (much taller with a sharp top to prevent people from climbing over) and it's perfectly acceptable... seems like a bit of a double standard...



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Posted 24 October 2019 - 07:32 AM

Yes, that was the Baptist Church on Pandora between Blanshard and Quadra. It created quite the reaction among activists and one individual spray painted "hate gate" on it.


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Posted 24 October 2019 - 09:54 AM

Yes, when the church tried to keep the area safe, the usual activist suspects went angrily blundering into the situation with spray paint and, as always, made things worse. Cue rambling about colonialism, priviledge, etc... Never mind the lack of respect for the church property that caused them to put up the fence in the first place... the "activists" frothing fury is such that they are unable to understand that ALL people have the right to feel safe and be respected. Until they get their heads around that very basic concept, their efforts will do nothing to improve life for anyone.
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#16628 Victoria Watcher

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Posted 24 October 2019 - 10:03 AM

i wonder if the increase in homelessness has much to do with the increase in welfare rates in 2017.  at that time most recipients received roughly a 33% increase (+$100) in the non-shelter portion of their take-home pay.  that might well have been an incentive not to work.  couple with that in increase in our place hours and days of service (increased hours and days availability of free food). 


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Posted 30 October 2019 - 08:28 AM

Not quite sure what the story is, in terms of why Pacifica plans to give these people the boot. The rationale that the building is "not conducive" to the residents' needs seems a little vague. Agree with Jeremy L on this.

Also, I fondly remember one of the interviewed residents, Ted, as the guy who would tell you a joke in exchange for some spare change.

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Posted 08 November 2019 - 05:50 AM

san fran:

 

 

 

For the last three decades, San Francisco has conducted a real-life experiment in what happens when a society stops enforcing bourgeois norms of behavior. The city has done so in the name of compassion toward the homeless. The results have been the opposite: street squalor and misery have increased, even as government expenditures have ballooned. Yet the principles that have guided the city’s homelessness policy remain inviolate: homelessness is a housing problem; it is involuntary; and its persistence is the result of inadequate public spending. These propositions are readily disproved by talking to people living on the streets.

Shaku’s assessment of drug use among the homeless is widely shared. Asked if she does drugs, a formerly homeless woman, just placed in a city-subsidized single-room-occupancy (SRO) hotel, responds incredulously: “Is that a trick question?” A 33-year-old woman from Alabama, who now lives in a tent in an industrial area outside downtown, says: “Everyone out here has done something—drugs, you name it.” On Sutter Avenue, a wizened 50-year-old named Jeff slumps over his coffee cup at 7:30 AM, one hand holding a sweet roll, the other playing with his beard. A half-eaten muffin sits next to him on a filthy blanket. “I use drugs, alcohol, all of it,” he tells me, his eyes closed, as a pair of smiling German tourists deposit a peach on his blanket. Last night it was speed, he says, which has left him just a “little bit high” this morning. “The whole Tenderloin is for drugs,” Jeff observes, before nodding off again.

An inadequate supply of affordable housing is not the first thing that comes to mind when conversing with San Francisco’s street denizens. Their behavioral problems—above all, addiction and mental illness—are too obvious. Forty-two percent of respondents in the city’s 2019 street poll of the homeless reported chronic drug or alcohol use; the actual percentage is likely higher. The city relentlessly sends the message that drug use is not only acceptable but fully expected. Users dig for veins in plain view on the sidewalk; health authorities distribute more than 4.5 million syringes a year, along with Vitamin C to dissolve heroin and crack, alcohol swabs, and instructions on how to best tie one’s arm for a “hit.” Needle disposal boxes have been erected outside the city’s public toilets, signaling to children that drug use is a normal part of adult life. Only 60 percent of the city’s free needles get returned; many of the rest litter the sidewalks and streets or are flushed down toilets.

 

 

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#16631 Victoria Watcher

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Posted 08 November 2019 - 01:07 PM

youtube video today:   https://youtu.be/C2wIYhk-m9Y

 

 

 

What happens when you double the deposits on cans

 

Someone inside the (Our Place bottle/can) donation box, stealing from it. Stay classy Victoria.

 

 

outside the dominion rocket liquor store looks like.


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#16632 Rob Randall

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Posted 08 November 2019 - 03:37 PM

“A lot of people we deal with don’t like any rules or rigidity and unfortunately they can put themselves at risk for a few dollars,” says McKenzie.

 

 

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Posted 08 November 2019 - 03:39 PM

...Nobody likes rules.

You've clearly never met a grammar nazi.


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Posted 08 November 2019 - 04:08 PM

The donation bin has two ways of getting inside, according to a Bottle Depot spokesperson, through the shoot where the bottles go in and a door on the other side that is kept locked shut.

 

It is unclear how the person got inside the bin.

 

 

 

how do we even know that was a person in there?  

 

 

 

The user who posted the video points out that empty can deposits, which doubled for all non-alcoholic beverage containers starting on Nov. 1, may be to blame for the dangerous move.

 

Grant McKenzie, communications manager with Our Place, says he doesn’t believe that’s the case at all.

 

“For a lot of people collecting cans, it’s their income and the doubling of the return will hopefully help them more,” he says. “But it would make no difference when people are this desperate to pay their rent or to get food – it doesn’t really matter.”

 

 

 

no reason to be all defensive grant.  it was just a valid suggestion.


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#16635 Rob Randall

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Posted 08 November 2019 - 04:14 PM

It's not a huge leap from defending someone taking things from a donation bin to defending shoplifting.


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Posted 08 November 2019 - 04:20 PM

“But it would make no difference when people are this desperate to pay their rent or to get food – it doesn’t really matter.”

 

 

 

how much you want to bet that entity in there neither pays rent nor buys food.  i suspect us taxpayers provide both.


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Posted 08 November 2019 - 09:53 PM

The sad state and plight of the street element was on full display yet again this morning as I went out for a stroll on a coffee break; our office is on mid-block Yates and what I encountered at the corner of View and Blanshard of all places really illustrated and drove home for me just how_bad things are getting.

 

Everyone knows about the s*** show on Pandora, and that Centennial Square can be pretty dodgy at night or weekends but at View/Vancouver today I saw a middle-aged woman lying prone in a sleeping bag right on the edge of the curb; if she'd rolled even 3-4" to her right she would've landed smack onto Blanshard and in the line of traffic. In her right hand she had a lit butt, her left was holding out a baseball cap for 'spare change' and there was a needle perched on her chest.

 

Directly across the crosswalk on the other side of View were two more guys, one in a sleeping bag the other under a makeshift blanket, both reeked of booze and one had puked all over the sidewalk in front of a small business. Wandering in a zombie-like state near them was yet another guy who I've seen in the area many times recently; he's about 6'5" and his clothes are little more than rags and practically falling off his body.

 

He 'quick times' drags off whatever cigarette butt he can scavenge off the street, repeatedly sucking on them literally every 2-3 seconds, all the while wandering aimlessly into traffic and against red light and Do Not Walk signs. When he's not doing that he seems to content himself with scaring the hell mostly out of women pedestrians by approaching them for money, cigarettes, or both. I'm 6' and 280 pounds and my spidey sense is always on whenever I see this person. I can't imagine what women or especially older people are thinking when he gets in their face....

 

It seems downtown homelessness is deteriorating literally before our eyes; Pandora, Johnson, Yates and now further south to Fort Street are all crawling with beggars, homeless, sick and in some cases violent people.

 

Rather than turning homelessness into a cottage industry - which appears to the 'strategy' of the local Left - I suggest the city make it an urgent priority to forget about suing Big Oil companies or writing letters to Vladimir Putin on behalf of Russian LGBT people, and instead make it Priority One to engage with senior government(s) in order to secure some sort of funding assistance for treatment including housing - and by the latter I don't mean in the conventional sense, I mean institutional housing with medical and security staff and where if necessary these poor souls are physically restrained and weaned completely off the drugs that are destroying their lives. This 'enablement' strategy nonsense has got to stop because it is failing - and its failing big time.


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Posted 09 November 2019 - 02:51 PM

This 'enablement' strategy nonsense has got to stop because it is failing - and its failing big time.

 

It's tempting to think that the city is about as low is it can get, but I'm not sure there is a limit.

 

Dystopia isn't just the stuff of fiction anymore.

 


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Posted 09 November 2019 - 03:22 PM

The sad state and plight of the street element was on full display yet again this morning as I went out for a stroll on a coffee break; our office is on mid-block Yates and what I encountered at the corner of View and Blanshard of all places really illustrated and drove home for me just how_bad things are getting.

Everyone knows about the s*** show on Pandora, and that Centennial Square can be pretty dodgy at night or weekends but at View/Vancouver today I saw a middle-aged woman lying prone in a sleeping bag right on the edge of the curb; if she'd rolled even 3-4" to her right she would've landed smack onto Blanshard and in the line of traffic. In her right hand she had a lit butt, her left was holding out a baseball cap for 'spare change' and there was a needle perched on her chest.

Directly across the crosswalk on the other side of View were two more guys, one in a sleeping bag the other under a makeshift blanket, both reeked of booze and one had puked all over the sidewalk in front of a small business. Wandering in a zombie-like state near them was yet another guy who I've seen in the area many times recently; he's about 6'5" and his clothes are little more than rags and practically falling off his body.

He 'quick times' drags off whatever cigarette butt he can scavenge off the street, repeatedly sucking on them literally every 2-3 seconds, all the while wandering aimlessly into traffic and against red light and Do Not Walk signs. When he's not doing that he seems to content himself with scaring the hell mostly out of women pedestrians by approaching them for money, cigarettes, or both. I'm 6' and 280 pounds and my spidey sense is always on whenever I see this person. I can't imagine what women or especially older people are thinking when he gets in their face....

It seems downtown homelessness is deteriorating literally before our eyes; Pandora, Johnson, Yates and now further south to Fort Street are all crawling with beggars, homeless, sick and in some cases violent people.

Rather than turning homelessness into a cottage industry - which appears to the 'strategy' of the local Left - I suggest the city make it an urgent priority to forget about suing Big Oil companies or writing letters to Vladimir Putin on behalf of Russian LGBT people, and instead make it Priority One to engage with senior government(s) in order to secure some sort of funding assistance for treatment including housing - and by the latter I don't mean in the conventional sense, I mean institutional housing with medical and security staff and where if necessary these poor souls are physically restrained and weaned completely off the drugs that are destroying their lives. This 'enablement' strategy nonsense has got to stop because it is failing - and its failing big time.


It's not working. That's obvious to anyone who spends any amount of time downtown. And it's not working for the street people either. What a tragic existence, in part because a bunch of "activists" and politicians decided it would be a great idea to cram as many people as possible with addictions and mental health challenges into one small urban area. And then make sure drug dealers are able to run amok and ply their trade unhindered by law enforcement. Brilliant.
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#16640 Midnightly

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Posted 09 November 2019 - 08:30 PM

The sad state and plight of the street element was on full display yet again this morning as I went out for a stroll on a coffee break; our office is on mid-block Yates and what I encountered at the corner of View and Blanshard of all places really illustrated and drove home for me just how_bad things are getting.

 

Everyone knows about the s*** show on Pandora, and that Centennial Square can be pretty dodgy at night or weekends but at View/Vancouver today I saw a middle-aged woman lying prone in a sleeping bag right on the edge of the curb; if she'd rolled even 3-4" to her right she would've landed smack onto Blanshard and in the line of traffic. In her right hand she had a lit butt, her left was holding out a baseball cap for 'spare change' and there was a needle perched on her chest.

 

Directly across the crosswalk on the other side of View were two more guys, one in a sleeping bag the other under a makeshift blanket, both reeked of booze and one had puked all over the sidewalk in front of a small business. Wandering in a zombie-like state near them was yet another guy who I've seen in the area many times recently; he's about 6'5" and his clothes are little more than rags and practically falling off his body.

 

He 'quick times' drags off whatever cigarette butt he can scavenge off the street, repeatedly sucking on them literally every 2-3 seconds, all the while wandering aimlessly into traffic and against red light and Do Not Walk signs. When he's not doing that he seems to content himself with scaring the hell mostly out of women pedestrians by approaching them for money, cigarettes, or both. I'm 6' and 280 pounds and my spidey sense is always on whenever I see this person. I can't imagine what women or especially older people are thinking when he gets in their face....

 

It seems downtown homelessness is deteriorating literally before our eyes; Pandora, Johnson, Yates and now further south to Fort Street are all crawling with beggars, homeless, sick and in some cases violent people.

 

Rather than turning homelessness into a cottage industry - which appears to the 'strategy' of the local Left - I suggest the city make it an urgent priority to forget about suing Big Oil companies or writing letters to Vladimir Putin on behalf of Russian LGBT people, and instead make it Priority One to engage with senior government(s) in order to secure some sort of funding assistance for treatment including housing - and by the latter I don't mean in the conventional sense, I mean institutional housing with medical and security staff and where if necessary these poor souls are physically restrained and weaned completely off the drugs that are destroying their lives. This 'enablement' strategy nonsense has got to stop because it is failing - and its failing big time.

 

 

i almost think it's time to start taking pictures of this every time it's seen and post it on the city's facebook page and twitter page.. maybe just maybe it would get them to open their eyes when it is consistently infront of them (like a few yrs back when there was open drug deals happening on city sidewalks and it took a person videoing them and posting online for the police/city to finally step up)  maybe a bit of shame will get the city to step up and see the current plan isn't working (not likely but we can hope!)


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