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#6381 Victoria Watcher

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Posted 28 December 2022 - 08:10 AM

That headline should read: Southwest Airlines, a carrier with no hubs, cancels….
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#6382 Mike K.

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Posted 28 December 2022 - 08:24 AM

Yeah, I don’t know about that. Try flying between Seattle and most of the east coast. You’ll be routed via hubs. Usually Denver.

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#6383 Nparker

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Posted 28 December 2022 - 08:29 AM

Or Dallas. Or Atlanta.

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Posted 28 December 2022 - 08:30 AM

You can’t get to Atlanta or Dallas from Seattle without either stopping in, or changing planes in Denver.

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#6385 Nparker

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Posted 28 December 2022 - 08:33 AM

In 2010 I flew Seattle to Atlanta on a trip that was ending in Fort Lauderdale. Things might be different today of course, but the routing did exist.

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Posted 28 December 2022 - 08:35 AM

You can’t get to Atlanta or Dallas from Seattle without either stopping in, or changing planes in Denver.



I just found one to Atlanta with one stop in Chicago, no plane change.

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Posted 28 December 2022 - 08:37 AM

There could be seasonal variations. But southwest is as much a hub airline as the other guys. Their difference is they route planes further than airlines with Dash 8s because it’s more economical that way.

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Posted 28 December 2022 - 08:39 AM


I just found one to Atlanta with one stop in Chicago, no plane change.


Yes, there are going to be variations.

And Chicago is another hub. Whether you change planes or not doesn’t matter, since they’re all 737s.

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#6389 Victoria Watcher

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Posted 28 December 2022 - 08:40 AM

But a 737 going to Denver then Boston isn’t traditional “hub”. Hub would be Dash or small jets into Denver from Boise then back again.

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Posted 28 December 2022 - 08:43 AM

There’s no such thing as a traditional hub. A hub is a hub, just operated differently, because 737s operate differently than regional planes.

Southwest will provide direct flights from its service cities to its hubs. Some flights will be direct. It’s the same model AC uses, but different because they have to maximize 737 efficiency.

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#6391 Victoria Watcher

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Posted 28 December 2022 - 08:47 AM

Southwest has no hubs. They just have a few big busy airports they like that make sense.

Back where we started here.

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Posted 28 December 2022 - 08:50 AM

But they do, they just route planes further than AC does with its Dash 8s (which may be a dying model, look what’s happening with Calgary). Chicago Midway is like 90% southwest flights. They must really like that airport.
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Posted 28 December 2022 - 09:10 AM

Wasn't the whole point of this discussion that Vitoriawatcher wanted southwest to serve Vancouver to Toronto because there aren't enough airlines serving it and they would be more reliable? There goes that theory.

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Posted 28 December 2022 - 09:11 AM

I want United serving Vancouver to eastern airports.

#6395 vortoozo

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Posted 28 December 2022 - 09:42 AM

Why on earth would they do that when they have a very solid partnership with Air Canada?

#6396 Victoria Watcher

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Posted 28 December 2022 - 09:46 AM

More money? Freedom? Self-destiny? No self-respecting airline in the US has a similar deal with another domestic US airline. They only do it here because - government.

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#6397 Nparker

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Posted 28 December 2022 - 09:56 AM

In 2010 I flew Seattle to Atlanta on a trip that was ending in Fort Lauderdale...

Discovered I still had the flight info on file. 

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Glad to know I was not mis-remembering



#6398 Hotel Mike

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Posted 28 December 2022 - 11:39 AM

It's not just Southwest Airlines. WestJet is a catastrophe right now. It took my friend five days, five days to get from Winnipeg to Victoria. The Winnipeg flight was delayed a day. Then they flew to Calgary. Flight to Victoria, cancelled. They told him they could put him on a flight to Edmonton, and then he could make a flight to Vancouver. When he got to Edmonton, the flight to YVR was cancelled. He spent three night in Edmonton before finally getting on a flight to Vancouver. Then there were delays, delays before the flight to Victoria. He got back home at 9:00 p.m. on Christmas day. Wtf? Are we a third world country now when it comes to air travel?


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Posted 28 December 2022 - 12:51 PM

^ Not much airlines can do about weather. 

 

The problem is that airlines have got so good at managing capacity there is no extra space to rebook people once a flight is cancelled. I am hearing lots of stories about people missing flights (cancelled or otherwise) and having to wait days to get rebooked. 10 years ago you could go standby and reasonably get a flight in a few hours.


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#6400 Victoria Watcher

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Posted 28 December 2022 - 01:00 PM

^ Not much airlines can do about weather. 

 

The problem is that airlines have got so good at managing capacity there is no extra space to rebook people once a flight is cancelled. I am hearing lots of stories about people missing flights (cancelled or otherwise) and having to wait days to get rebooked. 10 years ago you could go standby and reasonably get a flight in a few hours.

 

 

Plan for delays when you choose a winter trip.

 

Go back to your hotel and have few extra nights.

 

FFS.

 

Losers.


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