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#321 Victoria Watcher

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Posted 18 June 2022 - 06:42 AM

I’m not saying who is or isn’t supplying it, I’m saying the new supply is not renewable energy. Peak daytime use during daylight hours is one thing, powering the grid when the sun’s not shining is another, and they need to come up with 5MW.

 

Can't they increase solar and wind, and add batteries?  That graph above certainly does show some power coming from it stored in batteries.  Battery storage might still be expensive, but it's less challenging than automotive batteries, as energy density and weight and volume (area of land taken) are not as important as cars.


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#322 Mike K.

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Posted 18 June 2022 - 06:51 AM

In the article I linked above they touch on this, but it wouldn’t be enough. You’d need massive battery arrays to capture sufficient volumes of energy. And it would have to be leftover energy, too. So there would be times you’re unable to save any residuals.

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Posted 18 June 2022 - 06:52 AM

But the point I’m making is they can’t power both AC and EVs. It’s a problem.

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#324 Victoria Watcher

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Posted 18 June 2022 - 06:57 AM

But the point I’m making is they can’t power both AC and EVs. It’s a problem.

 

You can build a coal-fired electricity plant today with near zero emissions, if you sequester or otherwise capture the carbon.  It can be done, just not very economically. Electric cars are coming but not as fast as some think.  Even if today every new car sold was electric it would still be 15-25 year phase-in, when looking at the entire fleet.  That should be enough time for electricity producers to react, but it'll need environmentalists to get out of the way somewhat.

 

That fact is, consumers will never tolerate brown-outs or rolling black-outs in The West (they only occurred in California in 2000-2001, and only 1.5 million people were affected, and only for 3 days mostly).  We will likely adjust.  Or we will vote in politicians that ensure we do (Gray Davis was recalled in CA partly due to the electricity crisis).


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#325 Mike K.

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Posted 18 June 2022 - 07:03 AM

Well, they’ve got 5MW to worry about for the time-being. That’s going to take some creativity.

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#326 Victoria Watcher

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Posted 18 June 2022 - 07:06 AM

Well, they’ve got 5MW to worry about for the time-being. That’s going to take some creativity.

 

Maybe BC can gouge them again.

 

BC Hydro's Powerex pays $750M to settle California claims

 

https://www.cbc.ca/n...laims-1.1378482


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#327 Mike K.

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Posted 18 June 2022 - 07:08 AM

Maybe President Obama can lend a helping hand:

The select board approved a request for a 2,500-gallon commercial propane tank for 79 Turkeyland Cove Road in Katama — owned by former President Barack Obama and First Lady Michelle Obama. “We’ve never had a private propane tank come to us,” said select board member Arthur Smadbeck, with select board member Michael Donaroma noting a private-residence propane tank is typically a fraction of the quantity being requested.

- https://www.mvtimes....-not-completed/

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#328 Victoria Watcher

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Posted 18 June 2022 - 07:09 AM

Can't expect Obama to drive down to the exchange-a-tank at the local corner store.



#329 Mike K.

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Posted 18 June 2022 - 07:12 AM

Driving wouldn’t be environmentally friendly.

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#330 todd

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Posted 18 June 2022 - 06:27 PM

Can't expect Obama to drive down to the exchange-a-tank at the local corner store.

You save a bit if you can find a place that still fills them


Tank exchanges about five dollars more last time I checked

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#331 dasmo

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Posted 18 June 2022 - 07:37 PM

What does he know that we don’t?

#332 Victoria Watcher

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Posted 03 July 2022 - 09:00 AM

A Swedish firm is about to build the world’s largest single offshore wind farm

 

Aurora will be sited in the Swedish Economic Zone, about 20 kilometers (12.4 miles) from the island of Gotland and 30 kilometers (18.6 miles) from the island of Öland. 

 

The $18 billion offshore wind farm will feature up to 370 wind turbines with a maximum height of 370 meters (1,213 feet). For perspective, the Empire State Building is 381 meters, or 1,250 feet tall.

 

OX2 does not indicate which wind turbines it will use in its announcement. The tallest turbines currently available are 242 meters (794 feet) high and made by MingYang Smart Energy.

 

Here’s where it gets mind-blowing: Aurora’s electricity production will be about 24 terawatt-hours (TWh) per year. That’s enough power for around 5 million households, or about 17% of the total electricity consumption in Sweden. (This is why I’m an offshore wind geek.)

 

The wind farm’s first phase of construction is expected to begin in 2028. Aurora is expected to start producing energy in 2030.

 

 

 

https://electrek.co/...hore-wind-farm/



 



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