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#2061 Mike K.

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Posted 20 October 2019 - 03:30 PM

Nanaimo can accommodate two vessels a day, one in the AM and one in the PM. They could take 60 vessels per month from Victoria, if they only had the opportunity to do so.
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Posted 20 October 2019 - 03:32 PM

Nanaimo's ship visits could increase by 1000% and it would be getting only 10-15 ships per year, which would still be less than Victoria was getting back when the modern cruise ship industry was newly born back in the late 1960s. And I'm going to say the stinky & industrial Victoria of those days was a much less appealing stop than the Victoria of today.



#2063 Mike K.

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Posted 20 October 2019 - 03:34 PM

It’s all fun and games until Celebrity announces its chosen port of call will be Nanaimo from 2021 onwards. What are we going to do? As much as Victoria International has done with Delta’s and United’s decisions to pull out of Victoria.
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Posted 20 October 2019 - 03:38 PM

 

The Jones Act doesn’t discriminate.

 

Correct. And yet one port is getting all of the traffic. What does that tell you?

 

Remind me, what did Farguson in Halifax say about it?

 

 

Farguson says those numbers tell the real story.

"The vessels will go to where the passengers want to go,"



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Posted 20 October 2019 - 03:39 PM

 

It’s all fun and games until Celebrity announces its chosen port of call will be Nanaimo from 2021 onwards. What are we going to do?

 

Hey, that would probably be the greatest economic coup in Nanaimo's history. Forget Victoria getting more ships than Vancouver... Nanaimo would be getting more ships than Vancouver. It would great for up-islanders.



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Posted 20 October 2019 - 03:41 PM

And then Victoria's noble politicians who care so, so much for the environment would obviously move up there to continue the fight for what they believe in.



#2067 Mike K.

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Posted 20 October 2019 - 03:44 PM

Don’t underestimate Nanaimo because to Victorians it’s Nanaimo. Remember when Vic West and Esquimalt were the crap parts of town? Retirees from Winnipeg didn’t much care what some Oak Bay know-it-all thought about ‘E-town’ with his manufactured disdain for anything west of Foul Bay Road, and today they own multi-million dollar condos they bought for relative chump change, while the guy in Oak Bay looked on.

To the outside world Nanaimo is heaven on earth, and the GVHA knows it.

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Posted 20 October 2019 - 03:46 PM

It’s all fun and games until Celebrity announces its chosen port of call will be Nanaimo from 2021 onwards. 

 

except now imagine the potential cruiser in south carolina researching cruises.  she sees two leaving seattle around the same time.  both 7 days to alaska and back.  both roughly the same price.  but one stops in victoria.  she's heard all kinds of good things about victoria and it looks lovely when she googles it.  the other one stops in some canadian port she can't even pronounce let alone see much info about.  the victoria trip wins out.


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#2069 RFS

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Posted 20 October 2019 - 03:52 PM

Nanaimo and the area is already a tourist destination. It's not like it's totally unheard of.

https://www.tourismn...com/what-to-do/

^theres as much, if not more, there than any of the 'what to do' lists for any of the other stops on an Alaskan cruise. Not to mention other nearby stuff like Mike mentioned, rathtrevor, cathedral Grove, goats on roof etc

#2070 Mike K.

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Posted 20 October 2019 - 03:55 PM

Hardly. People are enthralled by the opportunity to visit the Island, if they’re a little more worldly than the average bear. But they could care less where they stop on that island, they know the cruise line will take care to stop some place nice.

For some the bigger the city the less desirable is, they want to stay away from cities. To others the inside passage might be exactly what they want and a stop along that route could be anywhere.

99% of passengers on Alaskan cruises are on an Alaskan cruise to see Alaska. Once they’ve seen Alaska the rest is largely irrelevant.

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Posted 20 October 2019 - 03:57 PM

99% of passengers on Alaskan cruises are on an Alaskan cruise to see Alaska. Once they’ve seen Alaska the rest is irrelevant.

 

oh please.  if that was the case these ships would be stopping elsewhere.  they aren't.

 

2010:

 

 

 

When the Wei Wai Kum cruise ship terminal opened in 2007, the Campbell River Indian Band had high hopes of attracting up to a dozen giant luxury liners every summer, generating much-needed revenue for the band and more than $11-million in annual economic spinoffs for the surrounding community.

 

Three years later, a struggling economy, increased competition and difficulty marketing the Vancouver Island town of Campbell River as a destination have turned the $18-million, taxpayer-funded terminal into a money-losing white elephant that shows few signs of realizing its potential.

 

The 300-metre-long floating dock and accompanying facilities attracted 10 ships in the first two seasons, but that dropped to one 170-passenger ship last year and none at all this summer.

 

https://www.theglobe.../article597321/

 

 

 

 

2015:

 

 

 

 

Campbell River’s failed cruise ship terminal is being held up as a warning to other communities seeking to purse the holy grail of cruise ship business.

The topic generated a fair bit of buzz at last month’s Vancouver Island Economic Alliance conference.

A panel discussion hosted by the Nanaimo Port Authority was packed with cruise and tourism luminaries both local and international, and delivered to a standing-room-only crowd.

https://www.campbell...as-not-come-in/


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#2072 Mike K.

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Posted 20 October 2019 - 03:58 PM

This cruise situation is shaping up like Victoria’s little casino chapter.

Remember when the City stuck its nose up at Great Canadian? That worked out so well for the City of Victoria taxpayer. Incredible job our civic leaders did, just superb.

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Posted 20 October 2019 - 03:59 PM

FYI: Nanaimo and Campbell River both made investments years ago to try to attract ships. Nanaimo built its cruise terminal all the way back in 2011. But the trend re: visits to those ports has been declining over the years.



#2074 Mike K.

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Posted 20 October 2019 - 03:59 PM

oh please. if that was the case these ships would be stopping elsewhere. they aren't.


Esquimalt and Vic West? Eww, what a terrible place to want to live. Why would you ever want to buy a condo there? That’s like so ghetto.

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Posted 20 October 2019 - 04:02 PM

prince rupert:

 

 

The feedback revealed passengers who don’t join a shore excursion, such as the grizzly bear tour in the Khutzeymateen or a flight sightseeing tour, had a poor independent experience.

 

Prince Rupert’s shore excursions have been rated one of the highest among the Alaskan ports of call, including Juneau, Skagway and Ketchikan. The issue is that there is a low capacity for these excursions. In 2015, there was a small excursion base with nine tours operated by six different companies with a program capacity of about 500-600 passengers.

 

When larger ships arrive with 2,500 passengers only a portion of the tourists have the opportunity to join an excursion.

 

“We can do 500-600 passengers very well but we have 2,000 people who were independent guests who walked around and were not overly satisfied with Prince Rupert,” Stromdahl said.

 

 

https://www.bclocaln...with-potential/


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#2076 RFS

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Posted 20 October 2019 - 04:04 PM

I don't think anyone is saying Victoria isn't an attractive destination. That goes without saying. We are saying the city could push the cruise industry too far and force them to dock somewhere else because they do have options.
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#2077 Mike K.

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Posted 20 October 2019 - 04:07 PM

Where there’s demand there is supply.

It doesn’t take long for an industry to develop.

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Posted 20 October 2019 - 04:07 PM

Many Victorians probably don't realize how few ships they get up island. A busy weekend at Ogden Point would be their whole year. More than their whole year.



#2079 Mike K.

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Posted 20 October 2019 - 04:09 PM

And that can change overnight.

Those ports are ready and waiting. For all we know several lines are already in discussions with those ports as they assess their options for future seasons.

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Posted 20 October 2019 - 04:13 PM

 

It doesn’t take long for an industry to develop.

 

 

And that can change overnight.

 

Nanaimo's spiffy cruise terminal opened in 2011. The modern cruise industry has been plying Vancouver Island waters since the late 1960s. The trend has been in Victoria's favour all along, and especially so during the last ten years.

 

 

We are saying the city could push the cruise industry too far and force them to dock somewhere else because they do have options.

 

For sure. But that would be pure politics a.k.a. the war against abundance and prosperity (and maybe even a bit of trying to push good stuff to more struggling areas of the island, at Victoria's expense).

 

Meanwhile, the shore power issue remains regardless of where you try to push the ships. Nobody mentions it, nobody cares....


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