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[LJ]

I still don't understand why the feds cancelled cruise ships till 2022. They could have just stated that if everyone onboard was fully vaccinated you are welcome here. Same thing at the land border, let's get some tourism going.

[spanky123]

I still don't understand why the feds cancelled cruise ships till 2022. They could have just stated that if everyone onboard was fully vaccinated you are welcome here. Same thing at the land border, let's get some tourism going.

 

Because the progressives want to get rid of cruise ships. 

 

Seriously though, you would think with all of the six figure consultants (buddies) politicians have, somebody would have figured out that the Yanks would just bypass Canada

Edited by spanky123, 25 May 2021 - 07:35 PM.

[Victoria Watcher]

At least one of the cruise lines has backed down on requiring vaccination at cruises originating in Florida, since a law was about to be placed against vaccine passports or discrimination in Florida.

[Nparker]

Vaccine discrimination is a farce. No one's rights are being infringed, since no one has a "right" to take a cruise. 

[Victoria Watcher]

Vaccine discrimination is a farce. No one's rights are being infringed, since no one has a "right" to take a cruise. 

 

it's tricky for sure. 

 

you might tell people with heart conditions they should not ride on the roller-coaster.  but you do not demand their medical clearance certificate.  you also tell people under 36" they cannot ride it.  and you will refuse them based on that physical characteristic.

 

what if you told people with AIDS they cannot travel on your cruise ship?  people with AIDS have no "right" to take a cruise.

Edited by Victoria Watcher, 05 June 2021 - 07:44 AM.

[Nparker]

False analogies. Heart disease and height are not highly contagious diseases. Even AIDS is difficult to spread.

[tanker]

Bake the cake bigot

[Nparker]

Another false analogy.

[Victoria Watcher]

measles.

[Victoria Watcher]

Outdated legislation kept us in the game

 

Irrespective of whether one looks on the cruise-ship industry favourably or not, the fact that Victoria saw upward of 200 dockings annually was due entirely to a legal anachronism dating back to the 19th century that will likely be rescinded permanently.

 

The cruise-ship industry has lobbied for many years to have the so-called “Jones Act” struck, pointing out that while it was intended to protect American shipping interests in the 19th and 20th centuries, it is outdated inasmuch as the vast majority of cruise ships that ply North America waters are, in fact, American-owned.

 

The largest cruise-ship company is the Carnival Corporation, which owns 87 large cruise ships that it operates under various corporate names.

 

Carnival’s corporate head offices are in Miami, Florida, and a number of other cruise-ship companies, not part of the Carnival conglomerate, also maintain their corporate head offices in the United States. Given the economic importance of the cruise industry to U.S. companies like Carnival and others, a legal anachronism from more than a century ago is not going to stand in the way for long, and Victoria, along with Ensenada, Baja California, will pay a huge price in the short term. And should the “act” be permanently struck, the long-term economic impact is massive.

 

Very few of the cruise ships that docked at Ogden Point ever stayed for a full day and in many cases it was less than six hours.

 

Victoria was not a major destination on any of the major cruises and arguably it was more of distraction and an unnecessary expense than a real destination, entirely due to outdated legislation that companies like Carnival have lobbied for years to have struck for those reasons.

 

For those who have fussed and fumed about the cruise-ship industry and the related environmental havoc, your dreams may well have come true. For those who depend on tourism for their livelihoods — well, it was nice while it lasted.

 

James P. Crowley

North Saanich

 

https://www.timescol...ites-1.24327104

Edited by Victoria Watcher, 05 June 2021 - 12:42 PM.

[Greg]

Cruise ships make a lot of their profit from excursions, and there are more popular/interesting excursions in Victoria than there are in most of the Alaskan ports. That may be all the incentive needed for the ships to keep coming here.

 

Also, I'm not convinced the cruise industry wants the Jones Act (isn't it really the Passenger Vessel Services Act?) permanently struck. They really don't want their ships registered in the US, and to be required to follow US laws, especially regarding employment.

Edited by Greg, 05 June 2021 - 12:54 PM.

[Victoria Watcher]

I ask again then. if Victoria excursions are so lucrative why do no Vancouver based ships stop here on their routine 7-day schedules?

Edited by Victoria Watcher, 05 June 2021 - 01:03 PM.

[Victoria Watcher]

Also, I'm not convinced the cruise industry wants the Jones Act (isn't it really the Passenger Vessel Services Act?) permanently struck. They really don't want their ships registered in the US, and to be required to follow US laws, especially regarding employment.

they just want the stops (Mexico, Canada) nixed. the rest to stay the same.

[Greg]

I don't think the cruise industry can justify long-term, having ships with US home ports, sailing only to US locations, but magically evading US registration and US laws. They know that will eventually come home to roost, and it would be a death knell for them.

[Greg]

I ask again then. if Victoria excursions are so lucrative why do no Vancouver based ships stop here on their routine 7-day schedules?

 

Because it's mere minutes from the start of their cruise?

[Victoria Watcher]

every Seattle cruise stops here. zero Vancouver cruises do. They are both minutes from their home port.

the stop here is always at the END of the cruise.

Edited by Victoria Watcher, 05 June 2021 - 01:31 PM.

[Victoria Watcher]

I don't think the cruise industry can justify long-term, having ships with US home ports, sailing only to US locations, but magically evading US registration and US laws. They know that will eventually come home to roost, and it would be a death knell for them.

On a 150+ hour cruise they do it now with just an 6-hour stop here. what’s the real difference?

Edited by Victoria Watcher, 05 June 2021 - 01:33 PM.

[lanforod]

Some Vancouver cruises do stop here, but not many. It's a valid question, Greg. I don't think the excursions are THAT attractive. The cruiselines have enough data to crunch to figure out whether its worth it. We will see.

[UDeMan]

when you head up to Alaska the cruise ships own many of the excursion companies and the stores in each port.  They are making money if you stay on the boat or go off.

 

I don't know if any of the cruise ship companies own any stores or excursion companies in Victoria.

[spanky123]

https://www.timescol...-b-c-1.24329674

 

Bill tabled in U.S. Senate to allow cruise ships to permanently bypass B.C.