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[Spy Black]

4:10pm on Sunday ... stay away from Douglas and Tolmie.

There is a "police incident" taking place (it's being going on all afternoon), and Douglas Street is CLOSED completely.

 

As a result of the closure of Douglas St, all of the surrounding roads ... Alpha, Tolmie, Duplin, etc are jammed up with cars ... trying to make left hand turns going North or South, onto Burnside or Blanshard, in order to keep heading wherever they were heading ... but all those left hand turns were designed for some little number like 10 cars per hour ... not the 150+ cars per hour that are currently trying to make those left hand turns.

 

As a result, it's a zoo, with all of the normal Douglas St traffic now cruising about (or stopped dead) on those little side streets trying to get back onto a thoroughfare.

[Barrrister]

why are no police diverting the traffic and over riding the lights. Let the social workers deal with the nutbar

[pontcanna]

Chief Del on the shooting:

 

https://www.youtube....h?v=Sm_AlxW1BlI

 

 

[Victoria Watcher]

first call came in prior to 10am. two police forces with a full contingent of over 400 officers sent people to the scene.

over an hour later they shot the suspect dead.

poor work.

still no news on the weapon. at best it’s likely a knife.

a lot of cops (probably over 30) fresh and pumped up on testosterone just a few hours into their shift.

sounds like nobody thought about ARWEN or pepper spray. Or just backing off to negotiate. it’s not like he was at a school.

anyway like I say. we will hear nothing from anyone for 2.5 years now unless we have a story from the family of the deceased.

Chief comes in on a Sunday to read a statement that says “armed” again 4 or 5 times. seems like damage control against some councillors that are not big on VicPD.

Also sounds like they shot him in Saanich. Seems pretty eager.

Edited by Victoria Watcher, 12 September 2021 - 05:55 PM.

[Spy Black]

The pix seem to indicate that he walked the half a block from Saanich into Victoria ... where VicPD shot him dead.

Witnesses indicate that the weapon was a knife.

 

It's easy to play back-seat strategist (so I will) ... I always wonder about these deadly police shootings when the guy just has a knife?

I'm all too aware of the ubiquitous strategy deployed by police departments everywhere which don't dictate "shooting to wound" ... rather they shoot at the mid-chest in an effort to end the threat instantly and entirely.

Seems a bit overdone though when the weapon is a knife?

 

City Hall, and the VicPD are quite underwhelming currently, with questionable leadership in both camps.

There should be some serious questions raised in the next couple of days as to why this fellow had to die at the hands of VicPD ... we'll see who raises those questions, and also remember who tries to shut them down.

Edited by Spy Black, 12 September 2021 - 08:28 PM.

[pontcanna]

Though it may not be the whole story, the video doesn't look that good to me...

 

https://www.cheknews...ir-mall-882295/

 

[Spy Black]

Shooting a guy (dead) that’s moving away from you isn’t going to play well. 
 

[lanforod]

The early shots in that video do not look like the fatal ones. We don't see the fatal shots, from the look of things. if the suspect was charging them or something like that from those bushes with a knife, I could see police firing.

[Victoria Watcher]

I agree. but maybe they could have tried something different. they had time and manpower on their side.

[Mike K.]

A fast moving suspect with a knife can put other officers in danger when less lethal doesn’t work, and often it doesn’t (too often it doesn’t when distances are changing and margin of error is increasing) and suddenly police are in a crossfire situation when the suspect keeps advancing. Then when they shoot, they can injure themselves, or bystanders like the cameraman who was filming the scene.

[Victoria Watcher]

absolutely. I am suggesting that they had some time to figure out a different way. or there should be a different way just in general.

[On the Level]

Shooting a guy (dead) that’s moving away from you isn’t going to play well. 
 

 

They shot him with non-lethal rounds when he was "moving away".  6 of them in the video with no effect.  There is no video showing what happened to require lethal force. 

 

We like to blame the Police, the person having the mental episode, the courts, the medical system.  The real instigator is the Charter of Rights and Freedoms. Our hands are tied.  The deaths will continue.

[Victoria Watcher]

They shot him with non-lethal rounds when he was "moving away". 6 of them in the video with no effect. .

“No effect” or they missed him with every shot? the glass windows behind him never broke.

When he was in the bushes why not just spray the whole area with lots of pepper spray from cans like they used at Fairy Creek? they had 12 or 20 or 30 cops by that time to do the work.

or send in one ERT member with extra body armour to just tackle the guy. he was no athlete.

The statistics show that cops are stabbed and killed almost never - except when they are ambushed by surprise. one on one with this guy even though he holds a knife the cop wins 99% of the time in the grapple.

and again I’d be more supportive of killing the guy if this was quick moving and only a couple cops were on scene when it went south and public were in danger nearby, but cops here had over an hour to work up a strategy. and outnumbered him 20 or 30-1 when they killed him.

no cop said “I got this” and just stepped forward and ended this thing non-lethally?

Edited by Victoria Watcher, 13 September 2021 - 05:31 PM.

[Daveyboy]

or send in one ERT member with extra body armour to just tackle the guy. he was no athlete.

The statistics show that cops are stabbed and killed almost never - except when they are ambushed by surprise. one on one with this guy even though he holds a knife the cop wins 99% of the time in the grapple.

 

So who today volunteers to be the 1% failure?  Not a good plan VW

 

 

[Victoria Watcher]

I hereby volunteer Mike K. or Greg to move in for the disabling of the crazy perp.

Or Aastra.

Edited by Victoria Watcher, 13 September 2021 - 05:57 PM.

[Victoria Watcher]

I hereby volunteer Mike K. or Greg to move in for the disabling of the crazy perp.

 

[Victoria Watcher]

 

So who today volunteers to be the 1% failure?  Not a good plan VW

 

 

[Mike K.]

That’s about right!

[Victoria Watcher]

vic news:

 

 

 

 

One man is dead and another is injured after a late Saturday crash in Metchosin.

 

Just after 11:30 p.m., West Shore RCMP was called to a crash in the 3700-block of Sooke Road in Metchosin.

Police say a driver in a grey Mazda 3 was travelling eastbound when the vehicle crossed the centre line and hit a grey Ford F–150 head on.

Edited by Victoria Watcher, 20 September 2021 - 10:19 AM.

[Mike K.]

Press release:

On September 18, 2021, just after 11:30 pm, West Shore RCMP responded to a motor vehicle collision in the 3700 block of Sooke Rd in Metchosin. It was determined that a grey Mazda 3 was travelling eastbound when it crossed the centre line and collided head-on with a grey Ford F-150.

The 53 year old driver of the Mazda was pronounced dead at the scene by attending paramedics. The 39 year old driver of the Ford F-150 was trapped in his vehicle and had to be extracted by the Metchosin Fire Department before being transported to hospital with non-life threatening injuries.

“Traffic had to be diverted at the time for several hours to allow collection of evidence and determining the leading causes of the collision,” says Cst. Alex Bérubé, spokesperson for the West Shore RCMP. “The BC Highway Patrol Traffic Analyst and the BC Coroner are assisting with the investigation.”

Anyone with information to this collision is asked to contact the West Shore RCMP at 250-474-2264.