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[dasmo]

So maybe my density bylaw would work ;-) To me bylaws are there to facilitate co-habitation. The needs of the Homeless need to balance with everyones needs. This is the structure of an ordered society. It wasn't a problem for years. It even added character to the area. Not the case anymore... It's like your basement dweller adding a friend who crashes on their couch, then another, then a few in the yard of the owners house, then they are all dumping the garbage in the parks and other peoples yards. Then, yes, they should be evicted....  

[Mike K.]

In my opinion, if the community cannot take care of itself and nearby residents who pay taxes through the nose are impacted by a careless few, then it's game over.

[sdwright.vic]

^^ I have a friend who has lived water front front row for the last ten years. It has been a problem for almost that entire time for her. Weird smells, boat wars, strange night time activities, excessive noise. Sorry it just was never made an issue due to Victoria's normal stance around these things. Of it involves regulating the homeless it can't be done because their right are more inherent then the tax payers.

Edited by sdwright.vic, 29 August 2014 - 06:24 AM.

[VicHockeyFan]

In my opinion, if the community cannot take care of itself and nearby residents who pay taxes through the nose are impacted by a careless few, then it's game over.

 

Sounds like you are describing the whole area near Our Place.

[VicHockeyFan]

http://www.timescolo...gorge-1.1336118

 

Victoria council has taken another step toward removing derelict and liveaboard boats from the Gorge waterway near Banfield Park.

Following a public hearing last week in which several people on both sides of the issue spoke, Victoria councillors adopted a bylaw to rezone the waterway for recreational use only.

Liveaboards, float homes and overnight anchorage or moorage would not be permitted in the area.

The city still requires a licence of occupation over the waterway from the province before the bylaws can be enforced.

 

 

Where else can these boats park, legally?  Anything to stop them from just moving a few hundred yards up the Gorge?

 

[sdwright.vic]

No... The city of Victoria will just move the issue elsewhere.

[VicHockeyFan]

Now it appears we have at least one boat further up #1, attached to an anchor buoy, and a parking space for another, #2 is a red anchor buoy.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Now, it's great that the councillors have concerns about the environmental impact of these 12 boats, do they also have a concern about these other 20 parked at private docks pictured here?  Or the probably 75 other ones parked privately along part of the Gorge?

 

[lanforod]

The ones at docks, are those liveaboards?

[VicHockeyFan]

The ones at docks, are those liveaboards?

 

Not many, if any at all.  So those boats might not be regularly checked for fuel and oil leaks or to see if they are taking on water and at risk of sinking.  The live-aboard boats have a real person onboard most of the time to check for these hazards daily.

[lanforod]

I thought the primary issue isn't so much derelict boats as it is the noise and garbage from those living on boats.

[VicHockeyFan]

I thought the primary issue isn't so much derelict boats as it is the noise and garbage from those living on boats.

 

I suspect you will not find a quote from a politician saying that's the primary goal.

[lanforod]

Sure but that's just politicking. Seems to me, the reason this is an issue now is due to people living on some of these. That's why the issue would just move elsewhere unless all areas were enforced.

[sdwright.vic]

It will move up the Gorge and become Saanich's issue.

[Mike K.]

Not many, if any at all. So those boats might not be regularly checked for fuel and oil leaks or to see if they are taking on water and at risk of sinking. The live-aboard boats have a real person onboard most of the time to check for these hazards daily.

I'd say they're maintained better than the live-aboard boats that come in all forms of working condition. Keep in mind you're seeing a satellite photo taken in the summer when boat owners leave their boats tied up at the dock and ready for use. Come winter most will be moved into sheds or "winterized" and secured.

I know some folks who rent their docks out for the summer. It's an easy $150/month per boat and after the season is over the boat owners store them on land off-site.

Actually a nice dock is a great money maker if you're fortunate enough to be able to afford a waterfront property. If you don't mind the boat owners scooting across your property now and then the money is certainly a unique mortgage helper.

[VicHockeyFan]

Crazy how almost every home on Lotus has a dock.

[North Shore]

^Well, wouldn't you?  Not much point to paying the 'waterfront premium' if you don't have ready access to the water...

[Gary H]

Inspections, warnings about the new bylaw, what?   For the few minutes I was on the bridge they stopped at and/or boarded two different boats.

 

They just left this group of boaters:

 

And headed to this group of boats:

 

They then proceeded to board:

 

 

Edited by Gary H, 20 September 2014 - 01:36 PM.

[Mike K.]

I believe they did this on Thursday as well. I saw a police vessel heading towards "waterworld" with its lights on.

[KAS]

There was some sort of police action going on in the Railyards Thurs pm. There were 3 police cars parked at the corner of Tyee and Bay, a motorcycle patrolling around' and the boat out. They were there from at least 5, until maybe 7? No idea what was going on.

[Mike K.]

Oh, right there was something going on. I saw cops walking around the empty portion of the development, not where residents currently live. There was quite a turn out.