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#8161 LJ

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Posted 23 May 2019 - 07:39 PM

License or not, if the expected increase in cycling does come to pass the cyclists should be carrying liability insurance. If some spandex warrior crashes into grandma on her three speed and injures her, he/she is going to get sued.


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#8162 Mike K.

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Posted 23 May 2019 - 07:44 PM

Not unless the cyclist disappears into the night.


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#8163 LJ

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Posted 23 May 2019 - 07:45 PM

He will be down by contact as well.


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Posted 23 May 2019 - 08:31 PM

Fort Street heading west at Oak Bay junction has been reduced from two to one lane to accommodate a bike lane.  It's already at least one extra light cycle as the right turn lane has been reduced by moving the parking out from the curb and planting bollards in the road.

 

I thought all the reduced speed limits and traffic calming measures were supposed to reduce fuel consumption?  I'm sucking back 14.4 L / 100km in town now.


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Posted 23 May 2019 - 08:50 PM

Fort Street heading west at Oak Bay junction has been reduced from two to one lane to accommodate a bike lane.  It's already at least one extra light cycle as the right turn lane has been reduced by moving the parking out from the curb and planting bollards in the road.

 

I thought all the reduced speed limits and traffic calming measures were supposed to reduce fuel consumption?  I'm sucking back 14.4 L / 100km in town now.

 

Yup its a bvllshit setup at that intersection...I am now using Rockland as is many other vehicles....a road not designed for increased volumes



#8166 Greg

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Posted 23 May 2019 - 09:46 PM

Multiple studies show that cyclists break fewer laws than car drivers. And pedestrians are about 200 times as likely to be killed by a car as a cyclist, which isn't surprising given that you're about as likely to be killed by a shark as you are a bicycle.

 

Meanwhile a bunch of right-leaning small government advocates want to impose a new bureaucracy to license cyclists. Go figure.


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#8167 On the Level

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Posted 23 May 2019 - 11:24 PM

Multiple studies show that cyclists break fewer laws than car drivers. And pedestrians are about 200 times as likely to be killed by a car as a cyclist, which isn't surprising given that you're about as likely to be killed by a shark as you are a bicycle.

 

Meanwhile a bunch of right-leaning small government advocates want to impose a new bureaucracy to license cyclists. Go figure.

Links and sources please



#8168 nagel

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Posted 24 May 2019 - 07:13 AM

Just checking in here in case there is an intelligent and new debate going on, but this is not that day.
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Posted 24 May 2019 - 07:16 AM

Links and sources please

 

Try using Google for 2 minutes...

First result:

 

https://www.forbes.c...y/#7839854f4bfa



#8170 Mike K.

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Posted 24 May 2019 - 07:46 AM

Multiple studies show that cyclists break fewer laws than car drivers. And pedestrians are about 200 times as likely to be killed by a car as a cyclist, which isn't surprising given that you're about as likely to be killed by a shark as you are a bicycle.

Meanwhile a bunch of right-leaning small government advocates want to impose a new bureaucracy to license cyclists. Go figure.


Well, sure. Bikes are less likely to seriously injure you than a vehicle, and there are significantly more vehicles than bicycles.

The bureaucracy is coming whether we want it or not. The insurance industry is not about to stand idly by as uninsured cyclists grow in numbers on urban streets and are involved in collisions for which they are at fault.

And with insurance comes regulation. And with regulation comes the need to assess compliance. And to assess compliance means a licensing regime needs to occur.

I know it sounds silly, but so did pot decriminalization in the 90’s.

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#8171 lanforod

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Posted 24 May 2019 - 07:58 AM

Just go the dutch way and offer personal liability insurance: https://stuffdutchpe...rance-policies/



#8172 aastra

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Posted 24 May 2019 - 08:13 AM

Won't somebody think of the children? No, seriously, what about children? They just hop on a bike and ride away. No license. Millions and millions of them riding around all day every day on city streets. How would this otherwise foolproof and fantastic licensing scheme address that?

 

 

The bureaucracy is coming whether we want it or not. The insurance industry is not about to stand idly by as uninsured cyclists grow in numbers on urban streets and are involved in collisions for which they are at fault.

 

When bicycles appeared on the scene sometime around 2008 I just knew it would turn society upside down.



#8173 aastra

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Posted 24 May 2019 - 08:15 AM

 

The insurance industry is not about to stand idly by as uninsured cyclists grow in numbers on urban streets...

 

So we're saying lots of people are cycling now? It's a wildly popular activity, for business and pleasure?



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Posted 24 May 2019 - 08:55 AM

Just checking in here in case there is an intelligent and new debate going on, but this is not that day.

 

Intelligent and new debates are held every other day.


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#8175 Greg

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Posted 24 May 2019 - 09:02 AM

Well, sure. Bikes are less likely to seriously injure you than a vehicle, and there are significantly more vehicles than bicycles.

The bureaucracy is coming whether we want it or not. The insurance industry is not about to stand idly by as uninsured cyclists grow in numbers on urban streets and are involved in collisions for which they are at fault.

And with insurance comes regulation. And with regulation comes the need to assess compliance. And to assess compliance means a licensing regime needs to occur.

I know it sounds silly, but so did pot decriminalization in the 90’s.

 

Vibrant Victoria has a "Police/Nanny State" thread with 19 pages of comments from people finding government regulations ridiculous, and many of those same posters are in this thread, with no sense of irony, pushing for rules that would require a kid to have insurance and a license before riding their bike in order to solve a non-existent problem. 


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#8176 Ismo07

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Posted 24 May 2019 - 09:09 AM

Not unless the cyclist disappears into the night.

 

Again,  How would licensing or insurance stop this?



#8177 TallGuy

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Posted 24 May 2019 - 09:13 AM

Fort Street heading west at Oak Bay junction has been reduced from two to one lane to accommodate a bike lane.  It's already at least one extra light cycle as the right turn lane has been reduced by moving the parking out from the curb and planting bollards in the road.

 

I thought all the reduced speed limits and traffic calming measures were supposed to reduce fuel consumption?  I'm sucking back 14.4 L / 100km in town now.

Do you mean the 50m of cheater lane on either side of the intersection that was for busses or impatient drivers to pass on the right? You're calling that 2 lanes?


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#8178 sebberry

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Posted 24 May 2019 - 09:42 AM

Do you mean the 50m of cheater lane on either side of the intersection that was for busses or impatient drivers to pass on the right? You're calling that 2 lanes?

 

Well it's not 'for buses', it's a full lane without any use restriction.  Yes, it was irritating waiting to turn right getting stuck behind someone using that lane to jump the queue, but it was a lot better than the manufactured tailback we get now. 


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#8179 Mike K.

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Posted 24 May 2019 - 09:43 AM

Again,  How would licensing or insurance stop this?

 

It certainly won't stop everything from happening, but it will curb bad behaviour.

 

If there was no way to identify vehicles driven improperly the amount of serious infractions on our roads would be significantly higher.


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#8180 TallGuy

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Posted 24 May 2019 - 10:01 AM

Well it's not 'for buses', it's a full lane without any use restriction.  Yes, it was irritating waiting to turn right getting stuck behind someone using that lane to jump the queue, but it was a lot better than the manufactured tailback we get now. 

There is still a right turn lane there. The main issue is the parking for the businesses there take up most of that lane and people often park past the "No Parking" sign, even pre-construction. They should remove that parking and extend the turn lane, but the grades around that building, except for Fort St, make it difficult to replace that parking near enough without hardship to the business.

 

I do agree that the City is manufacturing congestion. Either that or there are no traffic engineers on staff.



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