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#3041 DustMagnet

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Posted 02 September 2018 - 01:24 PM

Sure but then you're getting off the highway, driving 640 M (according to Google Maps distance measuring thing) down a residential street out of your way only to turn onto another residential street. (not to mention if they aren't lucky with timing the Tillicum/TCH light takes forever to change). I think most people were going up Carey to Ravine to Blanshard over specifically Carey so going up McKenzie would probably be the better choice. 

Ah, I thought people were just going into Uptown mostly.  Hadn't thought of a Blanshard connection.  As for moving along residential streets, I'm not sure if the detour would be longer than waiting/navigating TCH/Sannich Rd.



#3042 Kungsberg

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Posted 05 September 2018 - 07:26 PM

New road surface treatment to improve safety at high-collision locations

 

https://news.gov.bc....TRAN0144-001700

Sept. 5, 2018

 

A high-friction surface treatment will be applied to 14 high-collision locations throughout the Lower Mainland and Vancouver Island to help drivers stop faster, with the goal of reducing rear-end collisions.

The Ministry of Transportation and Infrastructure has partnered with ICBC to identify four interchange off-ramps and 10 intersections that would benefit from the application of a high-friction surface treatment.

The locations were selected based on a review of collision and claims data:

  • Highway 1 – Capilano Road off-ramp (westbound) in North Vancouver  
  • Highway 1 – Lonsdale Avenue off-ramp (eastbound/westbound) in North Vancouver
  • Highway 1 – Willingdon Avenue off-ramp (eastbound) in Burnaby
  • Highway 1 – Brunette Avenue  off-ramp (eastbound/westbound) in Coquitlam
  • Highway 7 – 203 Street intersection (eastbound) in Maple Ridge
  • Highway 7 – 207 Street intersection (eastbound) in Maple Ridge
  • Highway 7 – Kennedy Road intersection (eastbound/westbound) in Pitt Meadows
  • Highway 7 – Laity Street intersection (eastbound) in Maple Ridge
  • Highway 10 – 120 Street/Scott Road intersection (eastbound/westbound) in Surrey
  • Highway 10 – 176 Street intersection (eastbound/westbound) in Surrey
  • Highway 17 – Cloverdale Avenue intersection (southbound) in Saanich
  • Highway 17 – Elk Lake Drive intersection (northbound/southbound) in Saanich
  • Highway 17 – Sayward Road intersection (northbound) in Saanich
  • Highway 17 – Mt. Newton Cross Road intersection (northbound/southbound) in Saanich

The high-friction surface treatment will be applied to the roadway by an automated truck-mounted machine using a specialized aggregate and resin to help vehicles come to a full stop more quickly.

This $3.9-million project is part of a suite of changes underway to address rising ICBC insurance claim costs. High-friction surface treatments may be applied to other locations throughout the province after evaluating the success of this project.

Work will start the first week of September and is expected to be completed by the end of the month.

 

[There's a link at the end of the announcement to view a demonstration on how high-friction surface treatment works, but for some reason I can't get the link to work in this post.]


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#3043 catfluff

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Posted 06 September 2018 - 06:43 AM

 

  • Highway 17 – Mt. Newton Cross Road intersection (northbound/southbound) in Saanich

At least they'll be able to find the intersection by following the highway, and not searching around in 'Saanich' for it.


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#3044 Nparker

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Posted 06 September 2018 - 07:25 AM

Mt. Newton X Road @ Hwy 17 is on reservation land adjacent to Central Saanich, so maybe they won't find it.



#3045 Coreyburger

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Posted 06 September 2018 - 07:52 AM

Mt. Newton X Road @ Hwy 17 is on reservation land adjacent to Central Saanich, so maybe they won't find it.

 

Not quite true. One odd quirk of muni boundaries - both Tsawout and Tsartlip FN are within Central Saanich's borders, the only FN that are within the muni within the region. So that intersection is on Tsawout land and in Central Saanich (although MoTI still can't find it).



#3046 shoeflack

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Posted 06 September 2018 - 07:58 AM

And even more fun! Mt. Newton X Rd is the split between FN and Central Saanich. As in, the south side of the intersection is FN, and the north side of the intersection is Central Saanich.

 

And they still can't find it!


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#3047 Coreyburger

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Posted 06 September 2018 - 08:00 AM

And even more fun! Mt. Newton X Rd is the split between FN and Central Saanich. As in, the south side of the intersection is FN, and the north side of the intersection is Central Saanich.

 

And they still can't find it!

 

I think Mt Newton X within Tsawout might be MoTI-operated. Most of the major roads within FN are - like Admirals Rd in Songhees & Esquimalt Nations



#3048 rjag

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Posted 06 September 2018 - 03:42 PM

So here we are at the beginning of September and perfect weather. Traffic on Cedar Hill X Rd is backed up from Shelbourne to Iona Drive (well above Richmond) and traffic on Richmond is backed up past Pear. 

 

This has been the case since 3pm and now at 4:30 its no different except traffic is now backing up on Cedar Hill X going in the other direction past Synod which is nothing compared to 8-9AM where it can be backed up past Braefoot.

 

This is now a regular occurrence since they changed the configuration of this road and reduced it from 2 lanes each way to 1 lane each way. Yet now Saanich is embarking on repeating this situation on Shelbourne. 

 

And I dont want to make this about bikes so will only say, not a bike in site in either direction. How is this improving infrastructure when buses are idling, delivery trucks are idling, HandiDart is idling?


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#3049 Cats4Hire

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Posted 07 September 2018 - 10:15 AM

Anyone hear anything about Hillside stuff? They're digging up part of the sidewalk right at Douglas. Going by the size I assume they're putting in bike lanes but I hadn't heard anything about bike lanes on Hillside.

#3050 Linear Thinker

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Posted 07 September 2018 - 11:53 AM

It's related to Transit's Bus Lane work.

Tapering the east sidewalk on Douglas to match the curb north of Hillside, and changing the corner to remove the "pork chop" island, and traffic signal poles.

 

Anyone hear anything about Hillside stuff? They're digging up part of the sidewalk right at Douglas. Going by the size I assume they're putting in bike lanes but I hadn't heard anything about bike lanes on Hillside.



#3051 Jacques Cadé

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Posted 07 September 2018 - 12:57 PM

Victoria Buzz reporter says mayor Helps launched her re-election campaign today with a promise to reduce speed limits in City of Victoria neighbourhoods from 50km/h to 30 km/h: https://twitter.com/...123666733584384



#3052 Mike K.

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Posted 07 September 2018 - 01:05 PM

From https://lisahelpsvictoria.ca/news/:

 

Lowering Default Speed Limit on Residential Neighbourhood Side Streets
For the last two months, Lisa has been meeting with small groups of Victoria residents in their homes in neighbourhoods across the city. These “Kitchen Table Talks,” are hosted by local residents. Neighbours, friends, family, and from around the community are invited to attend and participate in a casual Q & A with Lisa. This direct engagement with the people of Victoria generated many insightful and collaborative solutions to make life in Victoria even better. One key recommendation that came up at almost every gathering was: make our local neighbourhood streets safe for our children!

 

Currently, the default speed limit on all city streets is 50 km/h unless otherwise listed. This is far too fast. Residential streets are on average far narrower than throughways, often have limited visibility due to street-parked cars and tree cover, and are frequently the site of play for school-aged children.

 

For these reasons, Mayor Lisa Helps will work collaboratively with City Council, School District SD61, the Provincial Government, the Greater Victoria Integrated Road Safety Unit, and community stakeholders to implement a default speed limit of 30km/h on all local neighbourhood streets. This change would be facilitated by a comprehensive education campaign and tactical enforcement.

 

This commitment of Lisa’s, like many others, is citizen-led. Many families with whom we spoke were already in the process of working with the city for a lower speed limit on their residential street. Many were already in the process of applying to the City’s “My Great Neighbourhood” grant program

 

(https://www.victoria...nt-program.html), to fund “children playing” signs, new speed bumps, and other measures to keep their children safe.

 

To be clear, this new speed limit would only apply to local neighbourhood side streets, those classified as “local streets” in the City’s road classification system. For more information on the distinction between urban street designations and how they apply to roads safety, please see: https://www.victoria...n Map 11×17.pdf

 

This commitment represents a core theme of Lisa’s platform: the actions we take now not only benefit the people currently living in Victoria but they also plan ahead to build a safe, sustainable city for the future — for our children and our children’s children.

 

Making decisions with the next 10, 20, or 50 years in mind does not mean we need to forego quality of life and well-being now. Rather, the present and the future work in tandem. Victoria’s residents have asked for this now and we will implement it as soon as possible. At the same time, this action will make Victoria’s streets safer for children for generations to come.

 

Allowing Family-Sized Garden Suites on Victoria’s 5,600 Plus-Size Lots
When Lisa was first elected Mayor of Victoria in 2014, she immediately recognized the great need for new homes in our city. With a rapidly retiring workforce and quickly expanding job market, the city’s previous inaction left the city’s housing market in a precarious position. Families and workers need homes, and housing costs have continued to rise while demand outpaces supply.

 

At the same time – as we heard loud and clear at kitchen tables around the city – protecting the character of Victoria’s neighbourhoods is of the utmost importance. It’s important to maintain what’s special and unique about Victoria’s neighbourhoods as the city grows.

 

After Council cut significant red tape from the City’s garden suite process making the approval process significantly quicker (4 weeks instead of one year) and cheaper ($200 instead of $4000), the number of garden suites under development increased rapidly. 22 garden suite units were approved last year alone, compared to only 18 units approved in the last 12 years combined.

 

Lisa has recognized the effectiveness of this low-impact, citizen-initiated development. There is room for significant growth in this program to accommodate the growing number of young families in Victoria. There are roughly 5600 plus size lots in Victoria that are eligible for garden suite development. Currently, garden suites are restricted to one-bedroom designation, but with Lisa’s proposed changes to the zoning process, plus-size lots would be eligible for multi-bedroom garden suites for families.


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#3053 Cats4Hire

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Posted 07 September 2018 - 01:44 PM

If I'm understanding what "local neighbourhood side streets" means I'd have no problem with that. Half the time you can barely get to 30 anyway with them frequently being narrow, parked cars, kids running around, etc. 


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#3054 Nparker

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Posted 07 September 2018 - 02:03 PM

Was it necessary to post all of Lisa Helps campaign promises in the above post? I trust other candidates platforms will be given equal time on VV.



#3055 FogPub

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Posted 07 September 2018 - 02:03 PM

If I'm understanding what "local neighbourhood side streets" means I'd have no problem with that. Half the time you can barely get to 30 anyway with them frequently being narrow, parked cars, kids running around, etc. 

Gudgeon would probably define a local neighbourhood side street for these purposes as any road within the borders of the CoV if she had her way...

 

The problem with blanket speed limits is just that: they're blanket, without consideration for what makes one road different from the next.  Better that each street be assessed as to what it can handle.

 

Some Fairfield-area examples: Linden? Probably good at 40kmh.  Most of the minor streets that cross it?  30 kmh.  Vancouver St south of Fort? 50 kmh except for the school zone.  Most of Southgate is already 40kmh which - other than where it has that hilltop-and-curve between Douglas and Quadra - is too slow. And so forth.....


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#3056 Nparker

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Posted 07 September 2018 - 02:04 PM

...Half the time you can barely get to 30 anyway with them frequently being narrow, parked cars, kids running around, etc. 

In other words, the situation is already self-regulating.


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#3057 Jared

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Posted 07 September 2018 - 02:05 PM

Correct link for the road classification map. Local neighbourhood side streets are white.


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#3058 Cats4Hire

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Posted 07 September 2018 - 02:20 PM

In other words, the situation is already self-regulating.

pretty much. As FogPub said there are certainly streets of this nature that could be set to 40 or 50 though. I was just saying as long as they meant stuff like Carnsew (just zoomed in on the map and picked a random road) and not stuff like Fairfield I wouldn't have too much issue with it.



#3059 Midnightly

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Posted 07 September 2018 - 03:32 PM

what is the point to change it when most people do those sorts of speeds anyways? and it's not like anyone is going to to be out there trying to enforce these changes if they are made...  to me it almost feels like lip service "here lets make a law so that people have to do something that they are already doing to get votes"


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#3060 Jackerbie

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Posted 07 September 2018 - 03:34 PM

In other words, the situation is already self-regulating.

 

Well designed streets should be self-regulating. Throwing a 40 km/h sign on a four lane road with no street parking is not going to change driver behaviour (I'm looking at you, Quadra). Neighbourhood streets are generally more narrow, have travel lanes further restricted by street parking, and often have mature trees giving a sense of enclosure. You can't help but drive more slowly.

 

Bottom line, people will drive at whatever speed feels comfortable and/or safe.


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