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[Mike K.]

To reiterate, a bosun’s literal business on a ship is to deal with the outside deck. A cook’s domain is the kitchen. An officer’s the bridge. The bosun’s is the deck.

If an experienced bosun is seen leaving for the deck during the storm, the other crew assume/understand he’s entering his domain. The expectation is he knows what he’s doing, rough seas or not.

[spanky123]

No, it’s not that dramatic for the superiors, not even remotely.

The bosun is a position that understands the dangers of the outside deck, and Earle has been sailing for 30 years. That entire executive crew aboard Winnipeg is a serious group, their “career” is not the issue when an incident like this happens, accidental or not.

 

It is exactly like that. 

[spanky123]

To reiterate, a bosun’s literal business on a ship is to deal with the outside deck. A cook’s domain is the kitchen. An officer’s the bridge. The bosun’s is the deck.

If an experienced bosun is seen leaving for the deck during the storm, the other crew assume/understand he’s entering his domain. The expectation is he knows what he’s doing, rough seas or not.

 

Going outside without a jacket or survival gear?

[Mike K.]

It all depends on his intent, jacket or no jacket.

[sebberry]

I don't want to play in the speculation game, but this stood out for me...

 

"Earle told him he had just talked with his sons and explained he would be home in a few days with presents for them."  Source

[Victoria Watcher]

$20k raised.

 

 

My name is Lt(N) Andrew MacGillivray and along with CPO1 Jean-Francois Bouillon we have started this Go Fund Me to raise money to support Duane's family during this difficult time. 

 

 

https://ca.gofundme....lor-duane-earle

[johnk2]

To reiterate, a bosun’s literal business on a ship is to deal with the outside deck. A cook’s domain is the kitchen. An officer’s the bridge. The bosun’s is the deck.

If an experienced bosun is seen leaving for the deck during the storm, the other crew assume/understand he’s entering his domain. The expectation is he knows what he’s doing, rough seas or not.

The bosun is boss of the deck gang. He is a master seaman who knows all the deck jobs and can do them better than anyone else. Another qualification, at least on the ship I was on, is that he can punch out anyone who needs a little discipline. They are usually tough, gnarly guys but you want them in a storm.

[sebberry]

Welcome home, HMCS Winnipeg.  

 

 

 

HMCS Winnipeg Homecoming - Dec 18 2020 by SebblesVic, on Flickr

[LJ]

The bosun is boss of the deck gang. He is a master seaman who knows all the deck jobs and can do them better than anyone else. Another qualification, at least on the ship I was on, is that he can punch out anyone who needs a little discipline. They are usually tough, gnarly guys but you want them in a storm.

A bosun is just a worker bee, a Chief Bosun on the other hand.....

[Redd42]

What a sad situation, what ever happened. 

[johnk2]

A bosun is just a worker bee, a Chief Bosun on the other hand.....

Maybe in the navy but on a merchantman there is one bosun, he reports to the Chief Mate. Under the bosun are Able Seamen (AS) then ordinary Seamen (OS). Worker bees do the jobs they are told to do. The bosun tells them what to do according to what is happening. The bosun has the authority via his position but he has to command respect and that comes back to his level of seamanship, and his knuckles if need be.

[Mattjvd]

Maybe in the navy but on a merchantman there is one bosun, he reports to the Chief Mate. Under the bosun are Able Seamen (AS) then ordinary Seamen (OS). Worker bees do the jobs they are told to do. The bosun tells them what to do according to what is happening. The bosun has the authority via his position but he has to command respect and that comes back to his level of seamanship, and his knuckles if need be. Rikke5.jpg

In the Navy a Boatswain is a trade/occupation not a specific position or rank. They can be of any non-commissioned rank, Ordinary Seaman through Chief Petty Officer 1

[Victoria Watcher]

One of the Royal Canadian Navy's four beleaguered submarines will remain docked for repairs an extra year after a leak was discovered in a ballast tank that was not properly drained.

 

The leak on HMCS Corner Brook is the latest setback for Canada's four submarines, which have spent more time in repairs than at sea since being bought second-hand from Britain in 1998.

 

 

https://www.timescol...test-1.24258382

[AllseeingEye]

The picture accompanying that story says it all when it comes to Canada and "defence" - a vintage flying antique brick Sea King helicopter hovering over a (floating/submersible??) creaking museum piece of an ex-Upholder submarine: the former used to the very end by this country as a front line platform when other countries had long since literally consigned them to museums, and the latter laughingly sold to us by the Brits now almost a generation ago (its now 22 years and counting - in 1998 - when the Canadian saps came knocking at the British government's door) by which time they'd been tied up dockside in Britain for the better part of a decade.

 

As the man once said there is a sucker born every moment. Apparently sucker nations too.....

 

So once again we must be compelled to wonder how long the government of this country will persist in its public stance that the $ spent on purchasing and maintaining these creaking 40 year old submarines was cash well spent and not in fact completely flushed down the proverbial toilet?

 

Countries smaller than Canada and with fewer (taxpaying) people including Australia and now Taiwan have and will design, build and operate their own brand new submarines while cheapskate Canada continues to repeatedly scour and shop at the world's military bargain basement second hand bins in an attempt to avoid biting the bullet, doing the right thing spending wisely and generously while supporting its men and women in uniform with the best possible equipment.

 

Never mind the courage required to wear the uniform and go potentially into battle - in Canada that is equaled by the sheer guts needed by the men and women in this country simply to operate the crap weapons platforms provided to them by successive governments who neither understand nor frankly really care: how else to explain why the CAF front line folks have to fight with subs, tanks and jet fighters which all greatly exceed the ages of the people who have no choice but to operate and trust their lives to them? Shameful.

[tanker]

That's why my kids if I can help it won't be joining the military. There's zero respect for them shown by the public or politicians in this country. Simply put it is not worth putting your life on the line for a country that treats it's troops in this way. The fact people do is a testament to their heroism and they have my respect.

[Mike K.]

It’s a good job, depending on your prospects in life. Income, shelter, pension. Are there sacrifices? Yes. Are there drawbacks? Yes. Are there benefits? Yes? Do some people excel in the forces?Yes. Do some yearn to get out? Yes.

Is that more or less the path with anything in life? Yes.

Knowing what I know now, though, had I not had a plan after my high school years I would have ended up in the forces.

[AllseeingEye]

That's why my kids if I can help it won't be joining the military. There's zero respect for them shown by the public or politicians in this country. Simply put it is not worth putting your life on the line for a country that treats it's troops in this way. The fact people do is a testament to their heroism and they have my respect.

 

And its not just about the sad sack equipment either; between that decades-long sore subject in addition to governments d***ing around with their pensions or (failing) to provide post-combat operations PTSD and other counselling services, its no wonder the CAF has a particularly difficult time in meeting recruiting quotas.

 

In virtually every other major nation on the planet the Defence Minister/Secretary is a major player in those governments, a senior cabinet posting with real influence and jam. Not to mention respect.

 

But in limp-wristed and soft-as-butter Canada? Yeah not so much; basically he is expected to stand front and center before the nation and mumble a few platitudes during the Remembrance Day ceremonies and then fade immediately to black and stay there, far in the background for the rest of the year while the really important portfolios in Canada - namely the Minister for Kissing Quebec's Bum and the Minister for Weeping on Command While Apologizing Profusely for Historic Caucasian Colonial Sins - assume primacy and importance.

 

Not to mention they are first and last in line at the federal budget trough while the poor CAF is forced to survive on whatever meager scraps the Feds deign to occasionally toss in their (very) general direction......like third hand Australian F-18 Super Hornets, themselves the same vintage as the poor old RCAF F-18 fleet which they will join. Or for that matter, rotted and battered and rusted out ex-British submarines.....

Edited by AllseeingEye, 22 December 2020 - 11:00 PM.

[Victoria Watcher]

or:


Ottawa eyeing second-hand market to replace VIP and cargo fleet

https://www.cbc.ca/n...lanes-1.5850140

Edited by Victoria Watcher, 23 December 2020 - 12:02 AM.

[spanky123]

Countries smaller than Canada and with fewer (taxpaying) people including Australia and now Taiwan have and will design, build and operate their own brand new submarines while cheapskate Canada continues to repeatedly scour and shop at the world's military bargain basement second hand bins in an attempt to avoid biting the bullet, doing the right thing spending wisely and generously while supporting its men and women in uniform with the best possible equipment.

 

You are right, the Aussie's built six of their own subs.

 

The submarines have been the subject of many incidents and technical problems since the design phase, including accusations of foul play and bias during the design selection, improper handling of design changes during construction, major capability deficiencies in the first submarines, and ongoing technical problems throughout the early life of the class. These problems have been compounded by the inability of the RAN to retain sufficient personnel to operate the submarines—by 2008, only three could be manned, and between 2009 and 2012, on average two or fewer were fully operational. The resulting negative press has led to a poor public perception of the Collins class.

[Rob Randall]

It just seems insane to keep pouring billions of dollars into submarines that don't work when the deadliest thing on the water is still a Zodiac with three teenagers and a grenade launcher.

Edited by Rob Randall, 23 December 2020 - 07:06 AM.