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[zoomer]

Well, Mr. Mari did a scientific calculation on July 24th and determined:

“Spent an hour down at Clover Point starting at 11:15am today and observed the following:

- 17 cars came/went the rest parked
- parking was full a total of 13 min
- 42 cyclists came through
- 64 pedestrians came through
- 39 dogs
- 14 strollers”

https://twitter.com/...4787932163?s=21

And yes, his very open support of mayor and much of council could be seen as problematic, but at least he’s been open and transparent about it unlike many of the other developers in town. Mayor Helps is totally on board with his vision of supplying the missing middle and eliminating the need for public hearings and increasing the available land for increased density. If this gets approved through city hall, Mr. Mari will have scored a win of epic proportions for his company and some would say for affordability. If the Telus proposal is able to overcome the economic and logistical challenges, they’ll still need a majority of council to get this approved, so we’ll see if his support and lobbying has an impact here. He has also positioned himself to be a great local proponent for larger developments (beyond the small to medium scale projects Aryze usually works on) because of his strong relationship with mayor and council. Maybe Reliance Properties should have employed him!

[Sparky]

I hope Mr. Mari makes similar observations between October and March.

[LJ]

Rode my book through the loop today as I have often done for years. .

What kind of book do you have?

[Mike K.]

Well, Mr. Mari did a scientific calculation on July 24th and determined:

“Spent an hour down at Clover Point starting at 11:15am today and observed the following:

- 17 cars came/went the rest parked
- parking was full a total of 13 min
- 42 cyclists came through
- 64 pedestrians came through
- 39 dogs
- 14 strollers”

https://twitter.com/...4787932163?s=21

And yes, his very open support of mayor and much of council could be seen as problematic, but at least he’s been open and transparent about it unlike many of the other developers in town. Mayor Helps is totally on board with his vision of supplying the missing middle and eliminating the need for public hearings and increasing the available land for increased density. If this gets approved through city hall, Mr. Mari will have scored a win of epic proportions for his company and some would say for affordability. If the Telus proposal is able to overcome the economic and logistical challenges, they’ll still need a majority of council to get this approved, so we’ll see if his support and lobbying has an impact here. He has also positioned himself to be a great local proponent for larger developments (beyond the small to medium scale projects Aryze usually works on) because of his strong relationship with mayor and council. Maybe Reliance Properties should have employed him!

Meanwhile in this random Streetview shot there were 39 cars and a motorbike. That’s at least 40 people, in one snapshot.

Imagine how many people would come through in an hour before council messed up a good thing. Pedestrians and cyclists would pass through, too. Nobody had a problem with the way Clover Point was designed until it became a political target.

https://goo.gl/maps/pvXNs2WrJifrbKzGA

[Mike K.]

Streetview comes through once every few years.

 

[sebberry]

I've often thought that what makes a community walkable isn't the absence of cars, it's the presence of amenities.  Cook street village has plenty of cars passing through and yet it's regarded as a very walkable neighborhood. 

 

All they needed to do at Clover Pt is move the parking a little closer to the center and put a walking path in in front of where the cars park. 

[Mike K.]

Full of life, activity, joy. Cars, cyclists, even a kite flyer, randomly videod in July of 2016.

[Greg]

On average, I require a car 4-5 hours two times a week. Evo's hourly rate is $14.99. That is $59.96 to $74.95 for that amount of time. Figure in the value of my time (an hour on each side), I might as well rent for the whole day.

As for making money on renting your parking space, that only works if you own and not rent.

 

Five hours in a Modo is like $20 plus a bit more for mileage, so depending on distance driven a lot less expensive. Everyone's situation is different, but if you just want to go to the grocery store for a big shop a couple of times per month, and maybe spend a day in Sidney or Sooke now and then, it's certainly a lot cheaper than owing a car.

 

Ii imagine somewhere around two full days a week is where the economics start to be less clear.

[Greg]

Rode my book through the loop today as I have often done for years. Took much longer today, as I had to stop three different times for people laboriously trying to get into or out of the parking spaces now that it was two-way traffic on the open bits, rather than nice angle slots on a simple one-way loop. I guarantee those cars generated more GHGs with the current parking arrangement, and enjoyed their visit a bit less as well. And it ruined my ability to just cycle the loop. 

 

I don't own a car. I'm even a little anti-car in the sense that I think an urban downtown should be pedestrian-first in approach. But there's good design and bad design, and the Clover Point re-work is screamingly bad design.

 

 

What kind of book do you have?

 

I have several; practically an entire library of bikes.

[Redd42]

 

All they needed to do at Clover Pt is move the parking a little closer to the center and put a walking path in in front of where the cars park. 

 

This is exactly all that was needed. It was weird / awkward that there was no trail around clover point.

[FogPub]

If Helps et al were serious about doing what they could at the civic-regulation level to prevent climate change they would:

 

--- ban all outdoor heat lamps effective immediately

--- make it illegal for businesses to keep their doors and-or windows open when the outside temperature is below 15C (except in unusual short-term cases where ventilation is urgently required)

--- synchronize traffic lights to provide the most efficient movement of vehicles and reduce slowdowns/stops

--- push for electrification of all transit vehicles (and hey, they might even be doing this one!)

[Victoria Watcher]

^ end cruise ships

[Sparky]

And replace all city owned gas powered vehicles with EVs.

[Victoria Watcher]

And replace all city owned gas powered vehicles with EVs.

 

probably when the cybertruck comes out all new city pickups will be teslas.

 

 

or at least that's what mike k. is hoping.

Edited by Victoria Watcher, 03 August 2021 - 05:27 AM.

[sebberry]

I'm surprised VicPD hasn't been forced into electric police cars.  The amount of idling those things do is insane.

[Bob Fugger]

If Helps et al were serious about doing what they could at the civic-regulation level to prevent climate change they would:

 

--- make it illegal for businesses to keep their doors and-or windows open when the outside temperature is below 15C (except in unusual short-term cases where ventilation is urgently required)

 

Shhhh, careful: I'm sure you're aware that councilors are know to frequent VV, from time-to-time.  It's just this kind of regulatory overreach and interference that makes Comrade Ben all tingly in his revolutionary.

[Mike K.]

I spent some time down at Clover Point today. It was a constant flow of vehicles coming down, then turning around to leave because there was nowhere to park.

 

Saving the world in a climate crisis, I guess.

 

Meanwhile even VicPD had to come down to check out the situation for themselves.

[spanky123]

If Helps et al were serious about doing what they could at the civic-regulation level to prevent climate change they would:

--- ban all outdoor heat lamps effective immediately
--- make it illegal for businesses to keep their doors and-or windows open when the outside temperature is below 15C (except in unusual short-term cases where ventilation is urgently required)
--- synchronize traffic lights to provide the most efficient movement of vehicles and reduce slowdowns/stops
--- push for electrification of all transit vehicles (and hey, they might even be doing this one!)

How do you achieve an 80% reduction in ghg when your goal is to also double the population or do they not take that into consideration?!

[Victoria Watcher]

Meanwhile even VicPD had to come down to check out the situation for themselves.

 

[aastra]

 

I have several; practically an entire library of bikes.

 

Hence the old expression: it's just like reading a bike. That's how Shimano came up with the idea for index shifting. I'll stop now because I don't want to derail this thread.