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#41 HB

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Posted 30 August 2015 - 12:54 AM

Born and breeded here.  I've never heard those terms used.  I don't care what transport Canada calls it.  The inner harbour stops at the JSB and after that it's the Gorge waterway.  

 

Also nobody was less surprised than me that this happened.  Biking past here every day I get to see how ridiculous the loading process for that barge is.  Usually one end of the barge is about 2 inches off the water.

2 inches is really nothing at all to worry about loading a car ferry the same thing happens and not only end to end but side to side thats why caution is taken to load and unload evenly



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Posted 30 August 2015 - 10:45 AM

I find it hard to believe that there isn't a fair amount of oil and grease left in those cars some of which were actually driven to the site.

I don't know what process is being used for cleaning them up before shipping, but you can bet it isn't thorough enough, but then again they didn't plan on dumping the cars into the harbour not far from Rock Bay, where they are spending millions of dollars to clean up the harbour.


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Posted 30 August 2015 - 12:12 PM

 

Times Colonist 

August 29, 2015
 
More scrap cars and metal toppled into the Selkirk Water on Saturday as crews worked to stabilize a listing barge that sent as many as 100 vehicles into the water a day earlier. 
 
 


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Posted 30 August 2015 - 12:30 PM

Anyone know exactly how this barge manages to get to its destination without losing a dozen or so cars each time? I guess they could put hundreds of cable strappings across, but even then one would think it would be losing a lot of chunks of metal that had become loose in the crushing process.
 
 
 
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#45 todd

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Posted 30 August 2015 - 12:38 PM

So what is the First Nations name for this area of the Gorge?



#46 Benezet

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Posted 30 August 2015 - 01:11 PM


Anyone know exactly how this barge manages to get to its destination without losing a dozen or so cars each time? ...


Physics. Flattened cars don't slip past each other easily at all, and each one is pretty darn heavy. It would behave like a pile of large, rough rocks. I can't see there being much chance of load shift under normal conditions.

There was an eyewitness account (which I can't find now) that the crane itself shifted and pooched the barge. So, there may be no basis for figuring there's something inherently wrong with a normal barge-load of cars. We'll find out when the Transport Canada report is in.....

#47 Bingo

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Posted 30 August 2015 - 02:00 PM

Meanwhile this was how it was around noon.

There appears to be some loose stuff hanging around and it isn't only cars on board.

Tires, an old home heating oil tank, water heaters complete with insulation, upholstery, and all sorts of scrap.

There are even cars with license plates still attached.

 

 

 

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Posted 30 August 2015 - 02:11 PM

^Even if the cars stay on the barge I kind of doubt all the little bits and pieces of hanging metal/other are making it to its intended destination/land. I kind of doubt the tugboat would trouble themselves to report a lost car or two/other items overboard if they even noticed.



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Posted 30 August 2015 - 02:12 PM

Anyone know how far the barge needs to travel to reach its intended destination?
 
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#50 Gary H

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Posted 30 August 2015 - 02:42 PM

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There was an eyewitness account (which I can't find now) that the crane itself shifted and pooched the barge. ...

 

They use excavators with claws, not cranes to load the barge and it may have been this orange one in these photos I shot on Friday a few hours after the accident that was the culprit.  From my distance depths appear compressed but you can clearly see the listing barge area and the excavator is at the east end in the middle of the debris at a sharp angle.  From what I remember when watching them load when having dinner once at Glo was that at least one excavator is on the barge assisting with positioning of the scrap.

 

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#51 Bingo

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Posted 30 August 2015 - 02:55 PM

Loading the barge with the cherry picker in happier times.

 

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Posted 30 August 2015 - 03:20 PM

I have seen this barge before, but it has always had rows of cars on the outside of the pile.

Now most of what was the interior of the pile is exposed, so does that mean all of that rubble once had rows of cars to keep it contained?

 

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#53 Bingo

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Posted 30 August 2015 - 03:26 PM

Some of the floatables are coming ashore and some appear to have been retrieved.

 

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#54 Gary H

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Posted 30 August 2015 - 03:29 PM

They've installed a larger boom to completely block access to that section of waterway.

 

I've also got a before/after comparison of the barge.  In the shot from today the angle of the debris, not necessarily the angle of the barge which I can't see, looks more level.  Note the red car on the left and the high side (north) of the barge relative to the building in the back.  It also appears that some scrap metal has been removed and some cars that were there on Friday have either been removed or fallen off.

 

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Posted 30 August 2015 - 03:39 PM

 

Gets coat and leaves..........


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#56 Mike K.

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Posted 30 August 2015 - 03:41 PM

We'd never have a white car as a Citified mobile.


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#57 Bingo

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Posted 30 August 2015 - 03:55 PM

From looking at the photos, the end of the pile seems to be about 12-14 cars high, and the side of the barge is about 15 cars end to end, or a wall of about 210 cars.

Much of that wall of cars has disappeared to the harbour bottom, so the estimate of 100 missing seems realistic, therefore it is likely that the much of barge will need to be re-packaged.



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Posted 31 August 2015 - 07:21 AM

It appears that the experts will be examining the barge itself once it has been unloaded.

Stability could have been compromised by getting too much weight on one side because of the random weight of the objects being loaded. How do they keep track of that, I mean it's not the same as loading a BC Ferry where you can alternate the weight distribution a few cars at a time.

And where does the rain water go, overboard or through a leaking deck into a compartment below? Does the hull leak and do they have pumps to keep the bilges dry?

 

By the way, where do they barge the scrap to ?



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Posted 31 August 2015 - 07:37 AM

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#60 Chris City

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Posted 31 August 2015 - 08:06 AM


By the way, where do they barge the scrap to ?

 

 

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