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#81 Benezet

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Posted 01 September 2015 - 11:18 AM

It's a glorified bottle depot....


To a point. But I'll maintain its a good place to have it anyway, rather than trucking the scrap to another harbour.

#82 todd

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Posted 01 September 2015 - 11:21 AM

I find the contrast between industrial residential and commercial is what makes the Outer Harbor/Middle Harbor/Inner Harbor/Upper Harbor/Selkirk Water/Gorge Waters/Poratage Inlet vibrant, special, interesting and spectacular. Not to mention situated where it is having the Rock Bay area as the industrial mecca of Victoria is what makes Victoria function efficiently.
 
 
 
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#83 Bingo

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Posted 01 September 2015 - 01:35 PM

Scrap metal is the granddaddy of recyclables, and barging it from within a city is about as efficient as it gets. And, properties with industrial zoning pay a heck of a lot of municipal tax. Let's hope the scrap heap doesn't become a "special place" with whacky landscape architecture along a footpath through a forest of condos, instead of something truly beneficial.

 

We need to think about the scrap dealers...if it wasn't for them, none of the cars would ever come home to the harbour, after being recycled into parts for the new bridge.



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Posted 01 September 2015 - 08:27 PM

So I think maybe it's come time Seaspan finds an enclosed or at least a much more enclosed barge for this job. I don't think it will send Dennis Washington to the poor house. It seems to be the only real way to safeguard this from happening again.

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#85 cakeman

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Posted 02 September 2015 - 07:05 AM

 

So I think maybe it's come time Seaspan finds an enclosed or at least a much more enclosed barge for this job. I don't think it will send Dennis Washington to the poor house. It seems to be the only real way to safeguard this from happening again.

 

 

Nah, thats patching a problem rather than finding a solution.

 

So you throw walls on a barge.. then it gets loaded outta whack again and starts to tip.. rather than weight falling off the heavy side and the barge reaching equilibrium, having lost a few cars, now weight on the high side falls against the walls on the low side, making the problem worse and the barge goes all the way over..

 

Solution is better loading procedures and monitoring that they're being followed..

 

cakes..



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Posted 02 September 2015 - 09:22 AM

Oh Please....This happens one time in how many decades and now we need better loading and monitoring

I think they have been doing it fine and the safety record is great..one little minor incident where no one was harmed or killed does not justify draconian measures

 

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#87 todd

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Posted 02 September 2015 - 10:31 AM

Oh Please....This happens one time in how many decades and now we need better loading and monitoring

I think they have been doing it fine and the safety record is great..one little minor incident where no one was harmed or killed does not justify draconian measures

 

Relax

 
Twice that we know of.
 
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Posted 02 September 2015 - 10:40 AM

one little minor incident where no one was harmed or killed does not justify draconian measures

 

Relax

 

So we need to have a big enough accident so that blood is shed to enact change?


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Posted 02 September 2015 - 10:45 AM

So we need to have a big enough accident so that blood is shed to enact change?

 

No, but every thing we do we accept some risk, in exchange for less expense or greater convenience.  Like how we have 50kmh and 80kmh speed limits instead of all at 20kmh (which would saves hundreds of Canadians' lives every year).  Or how we don't have security guards in every gas station or convenience store or bank to protect employees from armed robberies.

 

Calm down


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#90 nagel

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Posted 02 September 2015 - 10:55 AM

I think it's reasonable to suggest that an activity that has twice resulted in vehicles being dumped into the water be reviewed by an independent party to see if their procedures are adequate/improvements can be made.


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#91 VicHockeyFan

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Posted 02 September 2015 - 11:03 AM

I think it's reasonable to suggest that an activity that has twice resulted in vehicles being dumped into the water be reviewed by an independent party to see if their procedures are adequate/improvements can be made.

 

I think the authorities (environment, worksafe etc.) will all be looking into it.


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#92 todd

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Posted 02 September 2015 - 11:18 AM

I think the authorities (environment, worksafe etc.) will all be looking into it.

 

Most likely Transport Canada will take an interest in their entire operation not just this incident.


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#93 todd

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Posted 02 September 2015 - 11:21 AM

 

Nah, thats patching a problem rather than finding a solution.

 

So you throw walls on a barge.. then it gets loaded outta whack again and starts to tip.. rather than weight falling off the heavy side and the barge reaching equilibrium, having lost a few cars, now weight on the high side falls against the walls on the low side, making the problem worse and the barge goes all the way over..

 

Solution is better loading procedures and monitoring that they're being followed..

 

cakes..

 

Yes possibly there could be circumstances during the loading process that can lead to your scenario, however during transit/once loaded it would prevent any spillage. Would have prevented loss of cars in the 2013 incident, and prevent bits and pieces from falling off the sides (I think the risk to reward ratio would be worth it, anyone up for the math?).  You don't take chances with a not always predictable beast like the ocean, which is what they're doing there just piling up cars and scrap metal and hoping it will make it across. I've kissed the dock more than a few times around here even in the summer months.
 

 



#94 todd

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Posted 02 September 2015 - 11:23 AM

Relax

 

Calm down

 
For the record I thought I was more relaxed than usual.
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Posted 02 September 2015 - 01:05 PM

Most likely Transport Canada will take an interest in their entire operation not just this incident.

I can assure you that Transport Canada will not take an interest in the ENTIRE OPEARTION

They will not have any vested interested in what goes on in the yard or the crushing operation or the hours of operation.

 

The company has acted in a professional manner throughout this incident and continues to do so and they are to be commended for their handling of the situation



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Posted 02 September 2015 - 01:06 PM

I think that at the very least they ought to be forced to change their name.  Schnitzer sounds silly.

 

They've been on a real growth streak since 2005.

 

http://www.schnitzer...ny_history.aspx


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#97 Bingo

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Posted 02 September 2015 - 01:59 PM

I think that at the very least they ought to be forced to change their name.  Schnitzer sounds silly.

 

They've been on a real growth streak since 2005.

 

http://www.schnitzer...ny_history.aspx

 

Schnitzel, I think you can get some at the Rathskeller



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Posted 02 September 2015 - 02:13 PM

So we need to have a big enough accident so that blood is shed to enact change?


Hey todd did you know the sky was green?
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#99 todd

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Posted 02 September 2015 - 02:22 PM

The company has acted in a professional manner throughout this incident and continues to do so and they are to be commended for their handling of the situation

 

I agree with you there, mistakes and machinery malfunctions happen, just saying history is worth learning/evolving from.


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#100 todd

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Posted 02 September 2015 - 02:35 PM

I can assure you that Transport Canada will not take an interest in the ENTIRE OPEARTION

They will not have any vested interested in what goes on in the yard or the crushing operation or the hours of operation.

 

I was more referring to the marine/Seaspan(just this job not all of seaspan operations) side of things, however in this case things crossover a bit with yard operations/Schnitzer. Anyone know if Seaspan is responsible for the loading or is it Schnitzer?


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