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#4981 Victoria Watcher

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Posted 30 April 2021 - 05:47 PM

New two-space, Store Street EV charging station open in downtown Victoria

 

30 minutes at the station gives vehicles enough charge to drive about 100 kilometres

 

https://www.vicnews....ntown-victoria/



#4982 Mike K.

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Posted 30 April 2021 - 06:14 PM

Costs are going to grow quickly as industry starts to implement charging, and expect a level playing field in order to sustain infrastructure with higher minimum rates:

As of May 1, 2021, the cost to charge at BC Hydro EV stations is:

12 cents per minute for 25 kW charging ($3.60 for 30 minutes)
21 cents per minute for 50 kW charging ($6.30 for 30 minutes)
27 cents per minute for 100 kW charging ($8.10 for 30 minutes) – not yet deployed on our network

Check station signage or the BC Hydro EV app for the current fees. For other service networks in B.C., the price is typically around 20 cents per minute to 30 cents per minute for 50-kilowatt charging. Use PlugShare to find out before you go.

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Posted 01 May 2021 - 09:25 AM

Based on the taxes collected on $1.55/litre gas and with an average distance driven per ICE car of 500km per tank, one can quickly conclude that the cost to charge your EV once dominance is achieved will be in a similar range.

 

Government needs the money from gas taxes and if they see an opportunity they will target ev charging and very likely within 5 years we will also see road mileage charges



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Posted 01 May 2021 - 01:04 PM

Indeed. The free ride is over, it’s going to get real ugly real fast unless charge rates double or triple within a 24 month period. You can’t sustain a $150k charger installation at a gas station at $5/pop. Expect minimums to appear, like a $10 charge fee, plus 45 cents per minute for up to 30 minutes, then 65 cents every minute over 30, that’s essentially going to be the future.

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Posted 01 May 2021 - 03:27 PM

Any idea of the cost to charge at home? Both the setup/charger unit itself and then the actual electric charges?



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Posted 01 May 2021 - 03:28 PM

About $2500 all said and done for a good 240v charger. Then the hydro costs, which if you charge up every day could push you over the second tier threshold if you don’t already cross over every month. But with smart meters there will come a time when an EV will also be dinged road taxes, the tech is there, or you’ll pay them at insurance renewal time based on mileage.
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Posted 01 May 2021 - 04:21 PM

Any idea of the cost to charge at home? Both the setup/charger unit itself and then the actual electric charges?

 

 

About $2500 all said and done for a good 240v charger. Then the hydro costs, which if you charge up every day could push you over the second tier threshold if you don’t already cross over every month. But with smart meters there will come a time when an EV will also be dinged road taxes, the tech is there, or you’ll pay them at insurance renewal time based on mileage.

 

2017 my FLO charger was about $1000, and the electrical code allows you to "relocate" a 220 plug without a permit (or an electrician) so it is a fairly simple procedure. ($750 should get the job done by a pro - rebates may be available!)

 

so my cost was just that - $1000

 

with my 14 solar panels, and charging at home now that the "free ride" is over I still haven't seen a hydro bill!

 

but then you would have to factor in cost of solar panels ($13k) ... amortization, panel degradation (none yet!)...blah blah blah

 

 

32kWh is the useful charge for the eGolf - so electricity cost for a full charge is;

 

32 x 0.0941 = $3.01

 

at step 2 rate;

 

32 x  0.141 = $4.51

 

at BC Fast charge;

 

32 x  0.21 = $6.30

 

this time of year (temp mild) a full charge gives me 240 km of range ( summer about 270, winter about 200) - 3.5 year on the battery, not much degradation as yet!

 

i haven't stopped at a gas station since 2017 so gas price and mpg elude me - so i can't really compare cost to an ICE vehicle

 

and lastly, what price can you put on feeling good about saving the planet, one little step at a time!


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#4988 Mike K.

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Posted 01 May 2021 - 05:10 PM

Awesome, thanks for the details Tommy.

And I see I wrote 240v, oops.

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Posted 01 May 2021 - 05:13 PM

it’s 208V or 220 or 240. all the same really. except when they are not I suppose.

Edited by Victoria Watcher, 01 May 2021 - 05:18 PM.

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Posted 01 May 2021 - 06:51 PM

numbers are often not as good as a simple example

 

i go up to the cowichan exhibition centre north of duncan a few times a year - round trip 140 km

 

i leave with a full charge and have about 60km range left when i get home, so i am using about 70% of a charge to get there and back

 

cost - since i am charging at home - $2

 

if i go to nanaimo - i usually top up at a charger there while i have lunch - cost $4.50 + another $1.50 when i get home and recharge - so $6 total

 

 

edit - these are approximations!


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Posted 01 May 2021 - 06:57 PM

it’s 208V or 220 or 240. all the same really. except when they are not I suppose.


this is not electrical advice.

always consult an expert before considering any electrical work.

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Posted 01 May 2021 - 08:48 PM

2017 my FLO charger was about $1000, and the electrical code allows you to "relocate" a 220 plug without a permit (or an electrician) so it is a fairly simple procedure. ($750 should get the job done by a pro - rebates may be available!)

 

so my cost was just that - $1000

 

with my 14 solar panels, and charging at home now that the "free ride" is over I still haven't seen a hydro bill!

 

but then you would have to factor in cost of solar panels ($13k) ... amortization, panel degradation (none yet!)...blah blah blah

 

 

32kWh is the useful charge for the eGolf - so electricity cost for a full charge is;

 

32 x 0.0941 = $3.01

 

at step 2 rate;

 

32 x  0.141 = $4.51

 

at BC Fast charge;

 

32 x  0.21 = $6.30

 

this time of year (temp mild) a full charge gives me 240 km of range ( summer about 270, winter about 200) - 3.5 year on the battery, not much degradation as yet!

 

i haven't stopped at a gas station since 2017 so gas price and mpg elude me - so i can't really compare cost to an ICE vehicle

 

and lastly, what price can you put on feeling good about saving the planet, one little step at a time!

Thank you for the detailed info. Much appreciated



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Posted 02 May 2021 - 07:10 PM

If I've carried the ones correctly, that seems to work out to about 1.25L/100km at Tommy's step 2 hydro rate..


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Posted 02 May 2021 - 10:44 PM

If I've carried the ones correctly, that seems to work out to about 1.25L/100km at Tommy's step 2 hydro rate..

it is sad...but tommy is old and can only think mpg

 

is that the same as 235 mpg?

 

that seems high....here are some driver estimates from the U.S. dept of energy site - https://www.fuelecon...true&details=on

 

they do quote a figure elsewhere on the site that a gallon of gas (U.S.) = 33.7 kWh , which is pretty much the full charge on the egolf

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Posted 02 May 2021 - 10:55 PM

NRC fuel efficiency rating is:  1.9 - 2.1 l / 100 km  with a range of 201 km  ( https://fcr-ccc.nrcan-rncan.gc.ca/en)

 

as  mentioned above my range varies form 200 to 270 km depending on temperature

 

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Posted 04 May 2021 - 07:03 AM

I just had a Tesla charger installed at my office and it was $950 including install but the 200 panel with space was close by.

Last 6 years I've had an ICE I've been spending approx $1,000/year on electricity versus $6,000 +/- on gas before that. Not sure how much I've saved on maintenance but has to he over $10,000. I just had a safety inspection and the original brake pads at over 200,000 km still have plenty of life. Still have a couple of years left on battery warranty then will dump it for a model Y.

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Posted 04 May 2021 - 07:08 AM

99% of my charging is down at my condo. I only charge at superchargers/public chargers when on roadtrips.
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Posted 04 May 2021 - 07:25 AM

Those are impressive running costs.   Factoring in the purchase price, would you say you've come out further ahead than if you had bought a 60k Lexus or Acura?  (I get that the Tesla is probably more fun and has more bells and whistles, but it's 100k...)


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Posted 04 May 2021 - 09:37 AM

Wow, that's impressive.


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Posted 09 May 2021 - 04:31 AM

Jay leno takes the cYbeRTrUcK out for a spin with Elon in the passenger seat.

 

VIDEO:  https://twitter.com/...858789264498690

 

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