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[Victoria Watcher]

Vancouver councilwoman hands out free heroin, meth, and cocaine to drug addicts outside police department

[Victoria Watcher]

https://thepostmille...lice-department


Vancouver councilwoman hands out free heroin, meth, and cocaine to drug addicts outside police department

Edited by Victoria Watcher, 27 July 2021 - 04:04 PM.

[Nparker]

...Vancouver councilwoman hands out free heroin, meth, and cocaine to drug addicts outside police department

This bears repeating.

[Sparky]

I wish we could stop referring to the word “Overdose”.

Overdose means “too much”.

What it should be called is “a dose of lethal drugs”.

[Rob Randall]

Vancouver councilwoman hands out free heroin, meth, and cocaine to drug addicts outside police department

 

If you purchase illicit heroin or cocaine, regardless of any good intentions, you have blood on your hands. 

 

It is not possible to manufacture those products without people being tortured and killed. 

[LJ]

I wish we could stop referring to the word “Overdose”.

Overdose means “too much”.

What it should be called is “a dose of lethal drugs”.

And when they say "accidental overdose" it is incorrect as well, they knowingly and willingly injected lethal drugs.

[A Girl is No one]

New twist in the illicit drug advocacy:

In response to the Conservative’s plan to deal with OD’s, an harm reduction and recovery advocate had this to say yesterday in an interview:

“ I haven't heard much. I've heard the Conservative Party talk about creating addiction treatment beds, which is great for people who struggle with addiction, however out of the 17 people that die in Canada every day is he assuming that everybody that uses drugs is addicted to them and the reality is that the majority of people who use drugs don't struggle with an addiction, and their only choice is really the illicit drug supply and that's what's killing people.”

Makes me wonder then why all the safe injection sites are located in the homeless shelters / areas…

[A Girl is No one]

When asked what he would ask the political parties during this election campaign:

“ What are you going to do to address the toxic drug supply and then how are you going to scale it up so that people have access to those regulated drugs, and in a country of Canada -- if you look at Switzerland, they have heroin programs there. In the country of Canada we have about 140 people on heroin across the whole country and, to me, that's unacceptable. This government, or whatever government gets in power, needs to bring back heroin to give to people so that they have access or at least a choice because right now there is relatively no choice, it's just fentanyl. “

What I don’t get though is: if most are not addicted to drugs, why not stop using them rather than buy street stuff that can kill you????

And why is government responsible for providing you with an illicit substance abuse hat you choose to use (not addicted)??

Can someone help me understand?

Edited by A Girl is No one, 26 August 2021 - 07:37 AM.

[Nparker]

 

...the majority of people who use drugs don't struggle with an addiction...

 

So if they are not addicted, illicit drug users must be making a conscious choice to use substances that could kill them. I fail to see why I should have sympathy for people's bad choices.

Edited by Nparker, 26 August 2021 - 08:24 AM.

[Greg]

“ I haven't heard much. I've heard the Conservative Party talk about creating addiction treatment beds, which is great for people who struggle with addiction, however out of the 17 people that die in Canada every day is he assuming that everybody that uses drugs is addicted to them and the reality is that the majority of people who use drugs don't struggle with an addiction, and their only choice is really the illicit drug supply and that's what's killing people.”

 

I don't understand the bolded part. If someone doesn't struggle with an addiction, then surely their only choice isn't illicit drug supply. If they don't struggle with addiction, then not taking illegal drugs must also be an option, right?

[A Girl is No one]

Exactly… it’s a new twist on the rhetoric but I don’t get the logic….

[Jacques Cadé]

There are lots of users of recreational but illegal drugs who are not addicted to them, e.g. 18-year-olds who have a couple of drinks at a party and then get offered something someone tells them is Molly. I don't think we want kids dropping dead just because they had a momentary lapse in judgement. https://thetyee.ca/N...ic-Drug-Deaths/

[Greg]

There are lots of users of recreational but illegal drugs who are not addicted to them, e.g. 18-year-olds who have a couple of drinks at a party and then get offered something someone tells them is Molly. I don't think we want kids dropping dead just because they had a momentary lapse in judgement. https://thetyee.ca/N...ic-Drug-Deaths/

 

Absolutely true. But is still intellectually dishonest to describe that as having "no other choice." 

[A Girl is No one]

Does that mean we want the government to provide these young people with these drugs on demand? It will lead to an increase in use and addiction for sure. These are seriously addictive drugs - and the addiction occurs a lot faster than for alcohol. It seems risky IMO. Call me old fashioned, I still think discouraging the use of potentially lethal drugs is best.

[LJ]

I don't understand the bolded part. If someone doesn't struggle with an addiction, then surely their only choice isn't illicit drug supply. If they don't struggle with addiction, then not taking illegal drugs must also be an option, right?

These people aren't struggling, they enjoy taking them, no struggle at all.

 

I don't have a drinking problem, I drink, no problem.

[Mike K.]

Government supplied moly sounds like the antithesis to doing drugs in the first place.

[pontcanna]

Standoff between distraught man in tree and Port Alberni RCMP ends tragically

RCMP, mental health workers spent two days trying to coax man from 14-metre-high perch

Aug. 30, 2021

 

High angle specialists from the RCMP stand at the top of a ladder truck from Port Alberni Fire Department on Friday, Aug. 27, 2021, talking to a man who climbed a tree on North Park Drive and refused to come down.

 

A 48-hour standoff between Port Alberni RCMP and a mentally distraught man who climbed a tree on North Park Drive and refused to leave has ended tragically.

A neighbour called police on Friday, Aug. 27 after they were walking their dog at 8 a.m. and a man in a nearby tree spoke to them.

“The male had tied a noose, placed it around his neck and was highly agitated,” Port Alberni RCMP Sgt. Peter Dionne said in a press release. An RCMP crisis negotiator engaged with the male for several hours, however the male did not want to work with police and said their presence upset him.

Emergency officials were on scene all day Friday and into the night attempting to coax the man out of the tree, as were family members, local mental health support staff that knew him and friends, but they were unsuccessful. “RCMP high angle specialists attended and spoke with the male who insisted he was not suicidal, however he refused to come down,” Dionne noted.

The man was perched approximately 14 metres (45 feet) up a tree behind the Port Alberni Friendship Center.

 

More: https://www.alberniv...nds-tragically/

 

 

[Victoria Watcher]

The crisis negotiator could not come to an agreement with the man, who had rigged up a delivery system to have people provide supplies to him. “He insisted he had no intention to harm himself and removed the noose, but remained in the tree,” Dionne said.

 

Resources were withdrawn due to the man’s agitation with police presence, with hopes he would climb down again.

 

North Park Drive, the access road to the Quadrant at Fourth Avenue and Napier Street and parking lots into the Port Alberni Friendship Center were blocked off all day Saturday. At least one unmarked police car could be seen in the vicinity, observing the man’s movements. A neighbour said other cars patrolled the area regularly.

 

Early Sunday morning BC Ambulance, Port Alberni Fire Dept. and the RCMP responded to render emergency care to the male, transporting him to West Coast General Hospital, but he succumbed to his self-inflicted injuries.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

maybe they should have brought him in under the mental health act.  was he on the property lawfully?  if not an arrest was likely in order.

Edited by Victoria Watcher, 30 August 2021 - 04:09 PM.

[Victoria Watcher]

“That is because of what it is in comparison to the stigma of the overdose crisis. And that is why the overdose crisis wasn’t taken care of like it should have been in the beginning because of who it affects — or who they think it affects.”

Contrary to popular images, the main victims of the crisis are men in their prime years with established professional careers. According to the federal government, 77 per cent of accidental apparent opioid toxicity deaths in 2020 were men with the majority of deaths among individuals aged 20 to 49 years for both men and women.




any evidence - anywhere - to support the first sentence in that second paragraph?

https://www.vicnews....ernment-action/

I think I know about a dozen people that have died from illicit drug overdoses. none fall into the category there. Of the highly public deaths that have made the news I think two fit that category. the yoga guy and the government guy visiting the empress hotel.

Edited by Victoria Watcher, 31 August 2021 - 05:43 AM.

[A Girl is No one]

All safe injection sites are I’m homeless shelters or with other homeless services… why not put them in medical clinics everywhere then? It’s because that article’s statement is a lie. Stats don’t show that. Many OD deaths happen indoors but most are in supportive housing.