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[Victoria Watcher]

The Liberals depend on immigration to drive their vote count.

[AllseeingEye]

The Liberals depend on immigration to drive their vote count.

 

Beat me to it by 3.5 hours. And lets not kid ourselves that is exactly 100% correct. Its no accident that immigration levels are at record levels under Jun-yah regardless of what the CBC says or what non-political factors may be at play, i.e. large numbers of retiring boomers etc.

 

Its well known that the majority of immigrants head to one of three places in Canada - TO (24 of 25 federal seats in the city are Liberal and close to 60 Liberal seats are situated in the greater GTA), Montreal (16 of 18 federal seats are Liberal in Montreal metro) or Vancouver (where the Liberals won the most seats in 2021 thanks to 'urban' Vancouver). And lo and behold guess where much of the federal Liberal voting strength lies?

[lanforod]

Interestingly, Poilievre is pro immigration as well. Not sure if he’d tone it down much.
I’m curious about that though. Immigrants don’t vote, not eligible for some time. So, what’s the deciding factor then? Their sponsors and families here vote liberal? Is it a long game play? Why do they vote Liberal as opposed to conservative or NDP? Depending on their home culture they may well align closer to the conservatives than the liberals.

[GaryOak]

Personally I think the reason why immigration so high is because we built our pension and retirement systems on the Ponzi scheme of infinite growth, relying on the working population to support the old. Kids are expensive so we outsource the production of labor to other countries.

[spanky123]

^ That is based on the assumption that immigrants are of working age, have the necessary skills to acquire a job and then pay taxes. Haven't seen anywhere any indication that this is overwhelmingly true.

 

I have nothing against immigration but a million extra people with no place to house them and no doctors to treat them isn't helping with affordability or health care.

[AllseeingEye]

Interestingly, Poilievre is pro immigration as well. Not sure if he’d tone it down much.
I’m curious about that though. Immigrants don’t vote, not eligible for some time. So, what’s the deciding factor then? Their sponsors and families here vote liberal? Is it a long game play? Why do they vote Liberal as opposed to conservative or NDP? Depending on their home culture they may well align closer to the conservatives than the liberals.

 

I'm sure various factors come into play depending on individual immigrant circumstances and experiences but one factor that I happen to agree with considering the off the radar but deeply dug in with regard to intelligence and foreign affairs acquaintance of mine, is that for many of them fleeing despotic regimes - Haiti being a great example - "conservative" rightly or wrongly has negative connotations, ergo "liberal" - rightly or wrongly - is seen in a more enlightened less threatening form of government.

[Victoria Watcher]

The U.S. will agree to extend a bilateral treaty known as the Safe Third Country Agreement to apply along the 8,900 kilometres of the shared border, according to an official with the administration of President Joe Biden, who arrived in Ottawa Thursday evening.

 

In exchange, Canada will agree to welcome an additional 15,000 migrants from across the Western Hemisphere over the next year on a humanitarian basis, said the official, who spoke on condition of anonymity.

 

 

https://nationalpost...greement-source

Edited by Victoria Watcher, 24 March 2023 - 04:25 AM.

[Victoria Watcher]

Closing Roxham Road will lead to 'humanitarian catastrophes,' immigration experts warn

 

https://www.cbc.ca/n...osure-1.6788677

[Victoria Watcher]

At 4 a.m. on Saturday morning, two buses from New York City arrived at a gas station in Plattsburgh, N.Y., where groups of migrants carrying luggage and determined to cross into Canada disembarked with no knowledge of the closure of Roxham Road.

Their faces were stunned as two taxi drivers, who had shown up only to give them the news, told them they could not drive them there.

They were four hours too late. They had boarded the buses unaware that by the time they arrived in the town of Plattsburgh, 30 km from the illegal border crossing, they wouldn't be able to walk in the footsteps of the nearly 50,000 migrants who made it over in the last year and a half.




Good. Fix your own god damned country, don’t invade ours.


https://www.cbc.ca/n...break-1.6791113

Edited by Victoria Watcher, 25 March 2023 - 02:25 PM.

[Nparker]

...Fix your own god damned country, don’t invade ours....

While the US certainly has its problems, there is no legimate reason for its residents, or those who arrive there from other countries to try and bypass the established processes for immigration to Canada. As far as I am concerned there are no legitimate refugees coming to Canada from the United States.
 

Seeking asylum is not a shortcut to get around normal immigration rules and procedures. There must be legitimate reasons why asylum is necessary or it won’t be granted. Canada respects its international obligations toward those who genuinely need help and protection. However, we must also make sure that all laws are followed to protect the safety, security and health of Canadians. Asylum claimants face a rigorous process to determine whether or not they have a legitimate claim according to Canadian and international laws. Our rules-based system will determine the validity of your claim.

You’ll be removed from Canada if you don’t have a legitimate claim

There are specific requirements to be considered a refugee. Not having or losing Temporary Protected Status in the U.S. is not grounds for a refugee claim. Canada does not have any special programs for people with Temporary Protected Status.

https://www.canada.c...um-seekers.html

[Victoria Watcher]

Canada saw a new all-time population growth record in 2022, when it recorded an increase of 1,050,110 people living in the country. This is equivalent to the entire city populations of Edmonton or Ottawa.

 

https://dailyhive.co...ics-growth-2022

[Nparker]

#nohousingcrisis

[Stephen James]

Personally I think the reason why immigration so high is because we built our pension and retirement systems on the Ponzi scheme of infinite growth, relying on the working population to support the old. Kids are expensive so we outsource the production of labor to other countries.

It doesn't require infinite growth, in fact. But it does require that the ratios of working to retired stay above certain thresholds, which would be fine except we have these bubbles and troughs in births.

[Stephen James]

Personally I think the reason why immigration so high is because we built our pension and retirement systems on the Ponzi scheme of infinite growth, relying on the working population to support the old. Kids are expensive so we outsource the production of labor to other countries.

Any immigration lawyer (try one at Crease Harmon, Victoria's most conservative firm) can tell you why.

Their phones ring off the hook from every business on the island... they are overwhelmed with demand for employees.

You might review the site that describes how they can qualify... most of us wouldn't lol because we're not as useful.

[Nparker]

People live too long. Time for renewal; time for Carousel.

[Victoria Watcher]

People live too long. Time for renewal; time for Carousel.

 

Now we're talking.  

 

Renew!!!

[Victoria Watcher]

[Nparker]

😯

[lanforod]

Wow!

[Victoria Watcher]