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[Cassidy]

My question though ... was do you actually care what happens to it now?

 

In other words, if you never see it again, will you be choked ... or will you simply recall the secret backroom deals that had it removed ... and simply not care at all where it winds up?

[LJ]

I, for one, didn't even know it existed. But I disagree with getting rid of it, it needs a place of honour not shame.

 

Forgetting history does not change or improve history.

Edited by LJ, 22 July 2019 - 07:30 PM.

[grantpalin]

I'd want to see the statue returned to the public eye, with an accompanying interpretive panel explaining the history and character of the man. That would have been a much simpler solution than this hullabaloo.

Edited by grantpalin, 22 July 2019 - 07:39 PM.

[LJ]

[On the Level]

I'd want to see the statue returned to the public eye, with an accompanying interpretive panel explaining the history and character of the man. That would have been a much simpler solution than this hullabaloo.

 

"explaining the history and character of the man"  that's the crux. Helps wants to build her base turning him into a monster.  Who decides?  The "City Family"?

 

Helps has turned reconciliation back 10 years.

[spanky123]

^ The goal isn't to 'reconcile' it is to isolate. By turning the public against the cause then Helps will be the one they turn to for support.

[mbjj]

Turn to Helps? Pfffftttt!

[Hotel Mike]

 

 

Helps has turned reconciliation back 10 years.

 

Her attitude, and that of Isitt, seems to be "let's just do it...they'll get used to it". Instead they should work for some acceptance from people who can see the need for reconciliation, but want to feel they are part of it. Another example is the James Bay Library. If it were called the Songhees Branch, or Lekwungen Branch, or Salish Branch, everyone would start to call it that. That would keep the FN connection in mind. Instead they chose a phonetically challenging name, that I would suggest very few people would ever try to use. It may be ethnically pure, but it defeats the purpose.

[Victoria Watcher]

that’s a good point on the library.

[rmpeers]

If the intent was to advance reconciliation, of course it was a disaster. But I suspect it was designed firstly to generate publicity for the mayor's reelection campaign launch and also to create a wedge issue where the mayor, Ben and Ben's acolytes could decry anyone who disagreed with the cloak and dagger drama as racist. This set the tone for an embarrassing Gong Show of an election in which progressive candididates like Hammond could, incredibly, be painted as right-wingers. It would never work in a city with an educated, astute thoughtful voter base but they definitely sized up their base correctly here and it worked.

The sad part is it almost certainly harmed the cause of reconcilation. But, hey, whatever it takes to win, right?

[tedward]

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That has no relevance to this discussion. Removing a statue from a place of prominence is not "erasing history".

Schools will keep teaching about his role in Confederation AND his role in genocide, you know, HISTORY.


 

 

 

[rmpeers]

That has no relevance to this discussion. Removing a statue from a place of prominence is not "erasing history".

Schools will keep teaching about his role in Confederation AND his role in genocide, you know, HISTORY.

But surely a simple plaque on a statue could also achieve a similar, balanced view and also perhaps explain the context of his viewpoints in that era. Such a thing might help more people better understand how we got here.

[tedward]

But surely a simple plaque on a statue could also achieve a similar, balanced view and also perhaps explain the context of his viewpoints in that era. Such a thing might help more people better understand how we got here.

 

Nope. A statue in a prominent civic location glorifies the subject. Literally the person depicted is put on a pedestal. Adding, "a simple plaque" does little to counteract this.

 

[rmpeers]

Nope. A statue in a prominent civic location glorifies the subject. Literally the person depicted is put on a pedestal. Adding, "a simple plaque" does little to counteract this.

K. Thanks for setting me straight on that.

[LJ]

Nope. A statue in a prominent civic location glorifies the subject. Literally the person depicted is put on a pedestal. 

 

As he should be.

[Victoria Watcher]

an erin o'toole ad has the statue removal quite prominent in it.

 

https://twitter.com/...845322403663873

[Victoria Watcher]

Activists topple statue of Sir John A. Macdonald in downtown Montreal

 

https://www.cbc.ca/n...atter-1.5705101

 

 

 

 

i really could not care less about statues.  but i'm still not a fan of idiots wrecking them.

 

 

Edited by Victoria Watcher, 30 August 2020 - 12:11 PM.

[Nparker]

Presumably it was on public property. Someone needs to be charged with an offense.

[rjag]

and we all know who in Victoria is all happy clappy about that incident....

[Barrrister]

I am Scottish and I am tired of my heritage being run down. Was he perfect, of coarse not. But if that is our standard than we better remove all reference to first nations since they were a slave owning culture particularly here on the west coast. .