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#581 Cassidy

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Posted 22 July 2019 - 01:43 PM

My question though ... was do you actually care what happens to it now?

 

In other words, if you never see it again, will you be choked ... or will you simply recall the secret backroom deals that had it removed ... and simply not care at all where it winds up?


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#582 LJ

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Posted 22 July 2019 - 07:30 PM

I, for one, didn't even know it existed. But I disagree with getting rid of it, it needs a place of honour not shame.

 

Forgetting history does not change or improve history.


Edited by LJ, 22 July 2019 - 07:30 PM.

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#583 grantpalin

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Posted 22 July 2019 - 07:38 PM

I'd want to see the statue returned to the public eye, with an accompanying interpretive panel explaining the history and character of the man. That would have been a much simpler solution than this hullabaloo.


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#584 LJ

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Posted 20 August 2019 - 07:38 PM

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#585 On the Level

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Posted 20 August 2019 - 09:27 PM

I'd want to see the statue returned to the public eye, with an accompanying interpretive panel explaining the history and character of the man. That would have been a much simpler solution than this hullabaloo.

 

"explaining the history and character of the man"  that's the crux. Helps wants to build her base turning him into a monster.  Who decides?  The "City Family"?

 

Helps has turned reconciliation back 10 years.



#586 spanky123

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Posted 21 August 2019 - 06:47 AM

^ The goal isn't to 'reconcile' it is to isolate. By turning the public against the cause then Helps will be the one they turn to for support.


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#587 mbjj

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Posted 21 August 2019 - 07:43 AM

Turn to Helps? Pfffftttt!



#588 Hotel Mike

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Posted 21 August 2019 - 08:48 AM

 

 

Helps has turned reconciliation back 10 years.

 

Her attitude, and that of Isitt, seems to be "let's just do it...they'll get used to it". Instead they should work for some acceptance from people who can see the need for reconciliation, but want to feel they are part of it. Another example is the James Bay Library. If it were called the Songhees Branch, or Lekwungen Branch, or Salish Branch, everyone would start to call it that. That would keep the FN connection in mind. Instead they chose a phonetically challenging name, that I would suggest very few people would ever try to use. It may be ethnically pure, but it defeats the purpose.


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#589 Victoria Watcher

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Posted 21 August 2019 - 09:02 AM

that’s a good point on the library.

#590 rmpeers

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Posted 21 August 2019 - 09:38 AM

If the intent was to advance reconciliation, of course it was a disaster. But I suspect it was designed firstly to generate publicity for the mayor's reelection campaign launch and also to create a wedge issue where the mayor, Ben and Ben's acolytes could decry anyone who disagreed with the cloak and dagger drama as racist. This set the tone for an embarrassing Gong Show of an election in which progressive candididates like Hammond could, incredibly, be painted as right-wingers. It would never work in a city with an educated, astute thoughtful voter base but they definitely sized up their base correctly here and it worked.

The sad part is it almost certainly harmed the cause of reconcilation. But, hey, whatever it takes to win, right?
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#591 tedward

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Posted 21 August 2019 - 02:47 PM

 

That has no relevance to this discussion. Removing a statue from a place of prominence is not "erasing history".

Schools will keep teaching about his role in Confederation AND his role in genocide, you know, HISTORY.


 

 



 


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#592 rmpeers

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Posted 21 August 2019 - 04:36 PM

That has no relevance to this discussion. Removing a statue from a place of prominence is not "erasing history".

Schools will keep teaching about his role in Confederation AND his role in genocide, you know, HISTORY.







But surely a simple plaque on a statue could also achieve a similar, balanced view and also perhaps explain the context of his viewpoints in that era. Such a thing might help more people better understand how we got here.
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#593 tedward

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Posted 22 August 2019 - 09:09 PM

But surely a simple plaque on a statue could also achieve a similar, balanced view and also perhaps explain the context of his viewpoints in that era. Such a thing might help more people better understand how we got here.

 

Nope. A statue in a prominent civic location glorifies the subject. Literally the person depicted is put on a pedestal. Adding, "a simple plaque" does little to counteract this.

 


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#594 rmpeers

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Posted 22 August 2019 - 09:53 PM

Nope. A statue in a prominent civic location glorifies the subject. Literally the person depicted is put on a pedestal. Adding, "a simple plaque" does little to counteract this.


K. Thanks for setting me straight on that.
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#595 LJ

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Posted 23 August 2019 - 07:37 PM

Nope. A statue in a prominent civic location glorifies the subject. Literally the person depicted is put on a pedestal. 

 

As he should be.


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