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#81 rjag

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Posted 04 June 2018 - 07:12 PM

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Shane Woodford

The Green Party’s Kamloops AGM may be over but a slide in a proportional representation session over the weekend is causing a stir.

The slide making the rounds on social media suggests Greens frame voting yes as a “people powered choice” and voting no as “the special interests choice.”

Kamloops North Liberal MLA Peter Milobar says it shows the hypocrisy of a party that claims to be collaborating with others and not playing politics.

“I think what that slide highlights is they have been saying all along that they are going to do politics differently and in fact they are not. In fact there strategy with P-R here very clearly they are trying to use divisive politics to taint people who may have a different opinion than them as some special interest boogeyman instead of, as they proclaim, wanting to have an honest and open debate about the facts.”


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#82 LJ

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Posted 04 June 2018 - 07:14 PM

If we are to have an alternative to FPTP let's go back to what the citizens assembly produced, at least we have some assurance that it was done fairly, transparently, and honestly looked at all the options and came up with the one that was best. Well over 50% of the voters accepted it then, why rethink it with a couple of party hacks looking out for their own best interests. 

I will vote "no" for anything this coalition comes up with.


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#83 rjag

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Posted 04 June 2018 - 07:14 PM

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Proportional representation is only great for unelectable 'professors,' Jean Chretien says

The former prime minister said that disbanding first past the post would allow untalented 'apparatchiks' to enter parliament 'through the back door'


#84 Benezet

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Posted 04 June 2018 - 11:23 PM

http://vancouversun....obox=1528145256


The last thing I need is any politician telling me what is the best way to elect politicians.
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#85 rjag

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Posted 05 June 2018 - 06:38 AM

The last thing I need is any politician telling me what is the best way to elect politicians.

 

Hehe yup, but thats what Eby and the puppet master are doing as well....



#86 Mike K.

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Posted 05 June 2018 - 06:53 AM

The PR push appears like little else than a partisan issue, as did Weaver's "give 16-year-olds the vote" idea.


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#87 spanky123

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Posted 10 September 2018 - 08:37 AM

Looks like PR is backfiring in a big way in socialist Sweden. 

 

The white supremacist party will control the balance of power!

 

https://www.theglobe...es-head-to-the/


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#88 Victoria Watcher

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Posted 10 September 2018 - 08:40 AM

it's not a white supremacist party in sweden.  it's one that is concerned with high immigration of individuals (young men mostly) that seem to be having great problems integrating into swedish society.

 

 

This will alter the sex ratio for some age groups in Sweden. As Ms Hudson points out, the teenage population will become more male: currently there are 106 male 14- to 17-year-olds for every 100 women. If all asylum applications are granted, this will change to 116 men to 100 women, while for those aged between 18 and 34 the male-to-female ratio will go from 105:100 to 107:100. This is worrisome. Skewed sex ratios would mean lots of sexually frustrated young men, which is a recipe for trouble.

 

https://www.economis...16/01/16/oh-boy


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#89 spanky123

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Posted 10 September 2018 - 09:11 AM

^ I was describing the party the same way as the article did.


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#90 Victoria Watcher

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Posted 10 September 2018 - 09:16 AM

the article says the party has "roots in the white supremacist fringe".  that's all.



#91 spanky123

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Posted 10 September 2018 - 09:34 AM

the article says the party has "roots in the white supremacist fringe".  that's all.

 

Seems like we are splitting hairs. Bottom line though is that Sweden has taken a very liberal approach to immigration and refugees much like Trudeau has. That approach has overloaded the social services system, driven up housing costs and created social issues like you described. The reaction then has been the rise of an anti-immigration and nationalist party who vows to get rid of that. In a FPP system it wouldn't have mattered, with their PR system they now hold the balance of power.

 

This article refers to them as the former neo-Nazi party. https://www.theglobe...opes-tolerance/


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#92 Victoria Watcher

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Posted 10 September 2018 - 09:39 AM

we would have to have let in 537,000 refugees in one single year to be on the same scale as sweden.


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#93 spanky123

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Posted 10 September 2018 - 12:35 PM

we would have to have let in 537,000 refugees in one single year to be on the same scale as sweden.

 

375K isn't far off. Besides it isn't the number which is solely the problem. Canada had no issues, as an example, when we focused on skilled workers who spoke English or French. Go to any major City in Eastern Canada now and see how many young men there are on the streets who speak no English and have no skills. 



#94 RFS

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Posted 10 September 2018 - 12:46 PM

375K isn't far off. Besides it isn't the number which is solely the problem. Canada had no issues, as an example, when we focused on skilled workers who spoke English or French. Go to any major City in Eastern Canada now and see how many young men there are on the streets who speak no English and have no skills. 

375k is where we are at for immigration numbers overall, not refugees so there is a massive difference in job skills, education, financials, etc. 


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#95 rjag

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Posted 14 September 2018 - 02:43 PM

Want to bet that in the coming 6 weeks we are going to see several 'good news' announcements jointly by the GreeNDP in the run up to the referendum?

 

I'm thinking the renters rebate (nothing like bribing folks with their own money) a few housing announcements, something to imply they are sticking it to the wealthy folks and probably something in the agri-sector to entice the vote from the interior/north of the Province.

 

Weaver will be especially accommodating to Horgan over the next 2 months until after the vote and depending on the result then the gloves are off

 

Dog Whistle politics will be the order of the day as they attempt to shore up their supporters

 

And seriously, if anyone believes this referendum is for the benefit of the citizens and not for the GreeNDP they need to give their head a shake


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#96 LJ

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Posted 14 September 2018 - 07:39 PM

How come the last time we had a referendum on voting we had the citizens committee spend countless hours going thru the various permutations of voting methodology, had regular updates, had ads showing all the different cause and effects etc. This time I bet less than 10% of the population is even aware of an upcoming referendum.


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#97 Freedom57

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Posted 14 September 2018 - 09:02 PM

How come the last time we had a referendum on voting we had the citizens committee spend countless hours going thru the various permutations of voting methodology, had regular updates, had ads showing all the different cause and effects etc. This time I bet less than 10% of the population is even aware of an upcoming referendum.

 

Having never participated in a referendum, how does one vote/take part in the referendum?



#98 rambaldi

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Posted 14 September 2018 - 09:15 PM

Having never participated in a referendum, how does one vote/take part in the referendum?

 

https://elections.bc.ca/referendum/


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#99 GaryOak

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Posted 21 September 2018 - 06:21 PM

I've found this YouTube video from a BC YouTuber about the different electoral systems proposed in the upcoming referendum.

Long form: https://youtu.be/BCRhpVNsBPY
Simplified: https://youtu.be/YtjjN1x7gt8

Edited by GaryOak, 21 September 2018 - 06:22 PM.


#100 Mystic-Pizza

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Posted 22 September 2018 - 08:45 AM

I will vote to support an alternative to the  FPTP  voting system.

 

I believe we can have more FAIR and HONEST representation under and alternative system, one where you are voting for the "Person" who is running for election, and not just the party the person represents.



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